Inclined plane problem without mass or coefficient of friction given

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an inclined plane, specifically a sled on an icy hill. Participants are exploring the implications of the problem's conditions, particularly the absence of mass and the coefficient of friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of free body diagrams and the application of Newton's second law, questioning how to proceed without mass. There is also mention of energy conservation as an alternative approach, with some suggesting that the angle of the incline may not be necessary for the solution.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to tackle the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of mass as a variable and the potential for energy conservation methods, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the term "icy" in relation to friction, with some suggesting that friction is neglected in this scenario. There is uncertainty regarding the requirements of the problem, particularly whether kinematics or energy conservation should be used.

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Homework Statement
A Yukon Hammerhead sled is at the top of an icy hill. The hill was conveniently measured by a surveyor who determined it to have an angle of 18° with the horizontal. Height of the hill is 25 m. What is the speed of the sled as it reaches the bottom of the hill?
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I know I need to use kinematic equations to help find the speed.
I need to find fg to find the fnetx and fnety, but I’m confused how to approach this.
Confused how to approach problem after making a free body diagram and finding the length of the inclined plane
 
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So you made a free body diagram? Good! Realize that the net force will be parallel to the incline -- find that force, then use Newton's 2nd law to find the acceleration.
 
ineedhelpthanks said:
Homework Statement:: A Yukon Hammerhead sled is at the top of an icy hill.
I wonder what it means by "icy"?
 
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PeroK said:
I wonder what it means by "icy"?
Yeah, I think it’s regarding the friction. I think for the problem the friction is neglected
 
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Doc Al said:
So you made a free body diagram? Good! Realize that the net force will be parallel to the incline -- find that force, then use Newton's 2nd law to find the acceleration.
Okay, I’m not sure how f=ma would work without the mass though
 
ineedhelpthanks said:
Okay, I’m not sure how f=ma would work without the mass though
Just call the mass "m" and see what happens. You might not need it to find the acceleration. (The expression for force will also involve the mass.)
 
Were you told to use kinematics to solve this? Energy conservation is easier.
 
hutchphd said:
Energy conservation is easier.
And you don't even need the angle!
 
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hutchphd said:
Were you told to use kinematics to solve this? Energy conservation is easier.
The right kinematic equation (the one that does not involve ##t##) works just as well.
 

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