Inclined throw in a vertical loop

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The problem involves a small ball rotating in a vertical loop of radius R, with a focus on determining the angle α at which the loop is cut so that the ball can fall back into the loop and continue its motion. The context includes concepts from dynamics and projectile motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions for the ball to maintain its motion after the loop is cut, examining energy conservation and projectile motion equations. There is an exploration of the relationship between the angle α and the resulting motion of the ball.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the calculations and are revisiting the derived equations. There is an ongoing examination of the roots of the equations related to cos(α/2) and their implications for the angle α.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are questioning the assumptions made regarding the motion of the ball and the conditions for it to return to the loop.

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Homework Statement


A small ball rotates in a vertical loop of radius R. it's velocity is the minimal required to stay in the loop.
Now the loop is cut at an angle ##\alpha## and the ball shoots out of it.
Express ##\alpha## so that the ball falls back into the loop and continues turning.

Homework Equations


The horizontal distance in an inclined throw: ##x=\frac{V^2\sin(2\theta)}{g}##
The acceleration in circular movement: ##a=\frac{V^2}{R}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The velocity at the highest point, so it won't fall: ##V=\sqrt{gR}##
The difference between the highest point and the cut in the loop, point A: ##h=R\left(1-\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)##
Energies between the highest point and A:
$$\frac{mgR}{2}=-mgR\left(1-\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)+\frac{mV^2}{2}$$
$$\rightarrow V^2=gR\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
Our horizontal distance:
$$x=2R\sin\left(\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
The throw angle ##\theta## is ##\frac{\alpha}{2}##
The horizontal distance at inclined throw with our velocity and angle:
$$x=\frac{gR\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha}{g}=R\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha$$
This distance equals the distance between points A and B:
$$R\left(3-2\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)\sin \alpha=2R\sin\left(\frac{\alpha}{2}\right)$$
$$4\cos^2\frac{\alpha}{2}-6cos\frac{\alpha}{2}+1=0$$
And it's wrong, it should be ##\alpha=120^0##
 

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I made a mistake. the last formula should be:
$$2\cos^2\frac{\alpha}{2}-3\cos\frac{\alpha}{2}+1=0$$
$$\alpha=90^0$$
And it should be 120
 
There are two roots for cos(a/2). One is 1, but that corresponds to a vertical throw. The other is cos(a/2)=1/2, that is alpha/2 = 60°, alpha= 120°.

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Thanks very much, a silly mistake
 

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