Incorrect interpretations of statistical results

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of statistical results in a legal context, specifically regarding the frequency of rare events and the implications of those frequencies in determining guilt or innocence. Participants explore the concepts of absolute and relative frequency, as well as the subjective nature of terms like "frequent" and "very frequent." The conversation touches on statistical reasoning, the base rate fallacy, and the application of Bayes' theorem.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recounts a legal case where statistical conclusions about the probability of infant deaths were used to suggest guilt, questioning the logic behind labeling 10 occurrences in a population of 10 million as 'very frequent.'
  • Another participant notes that terms like "frequent" and "very frequent" lack standard definitions in statistics, suggesting that the opinions expressed are subjective.
  • Some participants propose that the frequency of such events is significant enough that one cannot conclude murder based solely on statistical improbability, indicating a need for a more nuanced interpretation of evidence.
  • There is a suggestion that discussions about what constitutes evidence may be better suited for a different forum section, or that a more specific mathematical question could be formulated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of statistical frequency and its implications for legal conclusions. There is no consensus on what constitutes 'frequent' or 'very frequent,' and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the subjective nature of these terms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions of statistical terms and the reliance on subjective interpretations, which may vary among individuals. The relationship between absolute and relative frequency is also noted as a point of contention.

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There had been a case in the UK where a woman's two babies died one after the other. Then some apparent statistician concluded 'If the chance of that occurring is 1 in a million, then she must have killed her babies'. Later, a very long court of law had been doing research on it and she appeared to be innocent because some clever statistician then concluded: "1 in a million in a population of 10 million means she likely did not kill her babies because the chance is great they die at birth, in her population".

My professor stated:
"If there is a 1/1000.000 chance of a baby dying at birth, then if the population is 10.000.000 people, such deaths occur very frequently because it happens 10 times in 10.000.000."

I don't understand this reasoning at all. How is 10 times in 10.000.000 considered as 'very frequent'? Completely illogical to me.
When I asked someone else, they said that you cannot state it is very frequent by that number alone and that you need a 'base amount' (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy). Frequency should be relative to the base amount.
The relative frequency in this case is 10/10.000.000. The absolute frequency could perhaps be obtained by using Bayes' theorem?

I still don't understand the logic behind the claim that 10/10.000.000 is 'very frequent'.
 
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As far as I know, the terms "frequent" and "very frequent" have no standard definitions in mathematical statistics. The opinions you are quoting are subjective. Perhaps you can rephrase the question so it has some objective interpretation.
 
Perhaps what he means is that it's frequent enough that when a single such instance is examined, you can't conclude that she murdered her babies based on the statistical improbability of it happening. The first claim was that if it happens at all, it's got to be murder because it's too improbable of it happening by chance.
 
daveyrocket said:
Perhaps what he means is that it's frequent enough that when a single such instance is examined, you can't conclude that she murdered her babies based on the statistical improbability of it happening. The first claim was that if it happens at all, it's got to be murder because it's too improbable of it happening by chance.

Those are subjective possibilities also. I think the question of what constitutes evidence to various people is best discussed in the "General Discussions" sections or wherever forensic science questions belong. Or perhaps, someone can formulate a specific mathematical question that is relevant.
 

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