Increase Current w/ Transistor Config | Common Collector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of increasing current using a common collector transistor configuration for powering a small electroluminescent panel. Participants explore the principles of transistor operation, current amplification, and the limitations of power supplies.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports attempting to amplify current with a transistor but experiences reduced voltage and little current amplification, questioning the effectiveness of the common collector configuration.
  • Another participant suggests that a larger power source may be necessary to achieve the desired current output.
  • There is a claim that transistors do not amplify current but rather control it, prompting a discussion about the principles of saturation and current limiting in power supplies.
  • A participant describes their specific application, needing 5 to 8 mA for an electroluminescent panel, and shares their experimental setup involving various circuit configurations.
  • Concerns are raised about the relationship between the voltage of the battery and the high voltage source, indicating that if the battery voltage is lower, it may not function as intended.
  • One participant emphasizes that while a small base current can control a larger collector current, the total current cannot exceed what the power supply provides, referencing the conservation of energy principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities of transistors in current amplification, with some asserting that transistors control rather than amplify current. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired current for the electroluminescent panel.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to power supply characteristics, such as current limiting features, and the need for a power supply that can provide sufficient current for the application. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the operation of transistors and current amplification.

SMD1990
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Hello. When I short-circuit my power source/supply, I read 1.5 mA at 120+ VDC. For my purpose, the voltage is sufficient. However, I need to increase the amperage.

I have been playing with amplifying the current using a transistor. However, my breadboarded attempts have all resulted in either little current amplification or a greatly reduced voltage. What am I doing wrong? I thought the common-collector configuration was supposed to increase the amperage while leaving the voltage basically unchanged?

My best results have used a high resistance on the base (10 Megaohms). However, that is of no help when it comes to amplifying the current. And even that results in a reduced voltage of ~95.
 
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You need to get a bigger (greater capacity) power source.
 
Transistors don't amplify current. They control current. You need to read a little bit more about them, specifically things like saturation
 
What kind of power supply do you have?
Some power supplies have foldback current limiting. When you short them, they cut the current way back so it can't harm the power supply or the load. Use a higher resistance load like a light bulb and see if it supplies more current.
How much current do you need?
Jiggy-Ninja is correct.
 
I am trying to power a small electroluminescent panel. Its specifications state that it needs somewhere between 5 and 8 mA. At my current 1.5 mA, I can just barely see it beginning to glow. Its light output is very faint.

I have tried various methods for creating the power I need, such as implementing an astable multivibrator with two H-bridges and a CW-stage between them.

Currently, I am trying to use the circuit board out of an old watch that was illuminated by its own EL backlight. Whatever I end up doing, it needs to be as small as possible.

My (potentially incorrect) understanding was that one could amplify current with a transistor. For example, my 100+ voltage source connects to the emitter and collector. A battery (which provides the higher amperage) is connected to the base and emitter. A load at the emitter would receive the 100+ volts and the current supplied by the battery.

If this is incorrect, my understanding of "gain" must be completely out of wack.

My readings show the battery's amperage. However, only by greatly suppressing that current can I see the watch circuit board's voltage. (I have also observed that, if I put low resistance on the watch's AC output, its voltage drops badly. Oddly, a higher resistance shows more voltage.)

Oh, and just so you know: In my current attempts to increase the amperage, I am first full-wave rectifying it to DC. I am not connecting AC to my transistor, and trying to amplify it. It is DC.
 
SMD1990 said:
I am trying to power a small electroluminescent panel. Its specifications state that it needs somewhere between 5 and 8 mA. At my current 1.5 mA, I can just barely see it beginning to glow. Its light output is very faint.

I have tried various methods for creating the power I need, such as implementing an astable multivibrator with two H-bridges and a CW-stage between them.

Currently, I am trying to use the circuit board out of an old watch that was illuminated by its own EL backlight. Whatever I end up doing, it needs to be as small as possible.

My (potentially incorrect) understanding was that one could amplify current with a transistor. For example, my 100+ voltage source connects to the emitter and collector. A battery (which provides the higher amperage) is connected to the base and emitter. A load at the emitter would receive the 100+ volts and the current supplied by the battery.

If this is incorrect, my understanding of "gain" must be completely out of wack.

My readings show the battery's amperage. However, only by greatly suppressing that current can I see the watch circuit board's voltage. (I have also observed that, if I put low resistance on the watch's AC output, its voltage drops badly. Oddly, a higher resistance shows more voltage.)

Oh, and just so you know: In my current attempts to increase the amperage, I am first full-wave rectifying it to DC. I am not connecting AC to my transistor, and trying to amplify it. It is DC.
What's the battery voltage? If it's less than your high voltage source (which it seems to be, or you wouldn't be having this issue) it won't work.

You need a power supply that can put out more amps. I don't think there's an easier way around it.
 
SMD1990 said:
My (potentially incorrect) understanding was that one could amplify current with a transistor.

Yes, when a small amount of current in the base is able to control a larger amount in the collector then we often refer to this current amplification. It can't however somehow magically generate more current than is supplied by the power supply as the transistor itself contains no energy source. Did you ever learn about conservation of energy or have you just temporarily forgotten about it?
 

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