Increased Density Results in Decreased speed of sound?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between density and the speed of sound in different media, specifically questioning why an increase in density appears to lead to a decrease in the speed of sound according to the equation c=√(C/ρ). Participants explore the implications of this relationship, the role of the coefficient of stiffness, and the physical properties of various media.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that according to the equation c=√(C/ρ), the speed of sound should decrease with an increase in density, questioning the validity of the formula and seeking clarification on the coefficient of stiffness.
  • Another participant explains that the wave equation for acoustic wave propagation involves small disturbances in matter, where mass is significant but volume cancels out, leaving density as a key factor.
  • A different perspective introduces the analogy of a simple harmonic oscillator, prompting consideration of how increasing mass affects oscillation frequency.
  • One participant asserts that the formula is correct and emphasizes that the stiffness of a medium, particularly its resistance to compression, is crucial in understanding why water transmits sound faster than air, rather than density alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between density and the speed of sound, with some emphasizing the role of stiffness while others focus on density. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between density and speed of sound, as well as the definitions of stiffness and compression in different contexts.

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According to the equation c=√(C/ρ) where c is the speed of sound, C is the coefficient of stiffness and ρ is the density of the medium throughout which a sound is played the speed of sound should acctually decrease with an increase in density. Why is this so? I would've thought that increasing the amount of particles within a given area that sound can be transmitted along would result in the increased speed of the sound. I thought it was exactly due to the increased density of water in relation to ait that it transmitted sound faster. Is this formula wrong or am I reading it wrong? Also could someone please explain the coefficient of stiffness part of the equation and where this relates to the physical properties of a medium?

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I am not the best to explain this, I work in applied work. The wave equation for acoustic wave propagation is derived from our understandings of stress and F=ma. What we are really talking about is very small disturbances in matter, as such the mass is an important factor but in the derivation of the wave propagation equation the volume cancels out leaving only the density.

The coefficient of stiffness is what would be called in seismic work the bulk modulus which is the resistance of a material to compression, at least in the acoustic case but not in the elastic case where it would be multiple moduli. Pretty much any book on geophysics should give you a good explanation of elastic wave propagation, sorry mine are all in storage.
 
Think of a simple harmonic oscillator (e.g., weight m dangling from a spring with constant k). Intuitively, what do you expect to happen to the oscillations if you increase the mass m (or more to the point, the ratio m/k)?
 
The formula is exactly right. The stiffness portion of the equation is the reason why water has a much higher speed of sound than air, not the density. The relevant stiffness for sound is compression, since sound is a compression wave. Think of how hard water is to compress compared to air. That is the reason why water has a very high sound speed. As oliver said, a good way to think about it is a simple mass spring system - if the mass is increased, and the spring is kept the same, the oscillations slow down.
 

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