Independent Process Probability distribution

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The problem involves determining the probability that the length of the second pipe (Y) is more than 0.32 feet longer than the length of the first pipe (X), given that both lengths are uniformly distributed between 10 feet and 10.57 feet. The lengths of the pipes are assumed to be independent random variables.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the use of integrals to find the probability and the geometric interpretation of the regions involved. Some participants suggest considering the area of a triangle within a square to find the probability.

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There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to calculate the probability, with participants questioning the correctness of previous calculations and discussing the geometric interpretation of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to visualize the problem geometrically.

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Participants note that the original calculations may have been incorrect and that the limits of integration should be reconsidered. There is also mention of the need to account for the area of the triangle formed by the conditions of the problem.

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A manufacturer has designed a process to produce pipes that are 10 feet long. The distribution of the pipe length, however, is actually Uniform on the interval 10 feet to 10.57 feet. Assume that the lengths of individual pipes produced by the process are independent. Let X and Y represent the lengths of two different pipes produced by the process.

What is the probability that the second pipe (with length Y) is more than 0.32 feet longer than the first pipe (with length X)? Give your answer to four decimal places. Hint: Do not use calculus to get your answer.

My work so far:

P{(Y-X) > 0.32} = P{Y>X + 0.32}

∫ (from 10 to 10.57) ∫ (from x+0.32 to 10.57) (1/0.57^2) dxdy

= 0.0614

(It says this is the wrong answer, but i can't figure out why it is)
 
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carl123 said:
A manufacturer has designed a process to produce pipes that are 10 feet long. The distribution of the pipe length, however, is actually Uniform on the interval 10 feet to 10.57 feet. Assume that the lengths of individual pipes produced by the process are independent. Let X and Y represent the lengths of two different pipes produced by the process.

What is the probability that the second pipe (with length Y) is more than 0.32 feet longer than the first pipe (with length X)? Give your answer to four decimal places. Hint: Do not use calculus to get your answer.

My work so far:

P{(Y-X) > 0.32} = P{Y>X + 0.32}

∫ (from 10 to 10.57) ∫ (from x+0.32 to 10.57) (1/0.57^2) dxdy

= 0.0614

(It says this is the wrong answer, but i can't figure out why it is)

Think geometrically: the "sample space" is a square of whose sides are of length 0.57. The portion of the region y > x + .32 inside the square is a triangle whose sides you can easily work out. If you know the triangle's area, how would you then get the probability?
 
The portion of the region y > x + .32 inside the square is a triangle whose sides you can easily work out. If you know the triangle's area, how would you then get the probability?

Thanks for your reply but why is there a need to find the area of a triangle?
 
carl123 said:
Thanks for your reply but why is there a need to find the area of a triangle?

I cannot answer that without essentially doing your homework for you.
 
According to my own estimation the answr is 0.582, but is late and I feel lazy. I could be wrong in my answer but I am almost sure that 0.0614 is too low for the probability of the problem. Sorry, maybe tomorrow I can come and complete the answer
 
andres_porras said:
According to my own estimation the answr is 0.582, but is late and I feel lazy. I could be wrong in my answer but I am almost sure that 0.0614 is too low for the probability of the problem. Sorry, maybe tomorrow I can come and complete the answer

The answer is certainly less than 0 because the prob is less than P[X>Y] = 0.5. Indeed, the prob is less than P[X>10.32]P[Y<(10.57-.32)] < 1/4. If I were going to do this, I'd draw an XY diagram with the proper region shaded. That would show me how to set up the integral.
 
Hornbein said:
The answer is certainly less than 0 because the prob is less than P[X>Y] = 0.5. Indeed, the prob is less than P[X>10.32]P[Y<(10.57-.32)] < 1/4. If I were going to do this, I'd draw an XY diagram with the proper region shaded. That would show me how to set up the integral.
The answer is less than 0.5 I meant to say.
 
carl123 said:
A manufacturer has designed a process to produce pipes that are 10 feet long. The distribution of the pipe length, however, is actually Uniform on the interval 10 feet to 10.57 feet. Assume that the lengths of individual pipes produced by the process are independent. Let X and Y represent the lengths of two different pipes produced by the process.

What is the probability that the second pipe (with length Y) is more than 0.32 feet longer than the first pipe (with length X)? Give your answer to four decimal places. Hint: Do not use calculus to get your answer.

My work so far:

P{(Y-X) > 0.32} = P{Y>X + 0.32}

∫ (from 10 to 10.57) ∫ (from x+0.32 to 10.57) (1/0.57^2) dxdy

= 0.0614

(It says this is the wrong answer, but i can't figure out why it is)
The x integral should be 10 to 10.25. I got 0.0481.
 
you are right, but now I get 0.0962 which according to above answer is still wrong, I am not sure why
 
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It looks like a factor of 2. Write out the steps of your solution. It might be missing in one of your steps or I might have it, when I shouldn't.
 
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andres_porras said:
you are right, but now I get 0.0962 which according to above answer is still wrong, I am not sure why

This answer is correct. The region {X-Y>0.32} is a triangle whose vertices are at A = (10.32,10), B = (10.57,10) and C = (10.57, 10.25), and whose area is A(triangle) = (1/2)*(.25)^2. The sample space is a square with corners at (10,10), (10,10.57), (10.57,10), 10.57, 10.57) and whose area is A(square) = (0.57)^2. The probability = p = A(triangle)/A(square) = 0.09618344106 .

This makes sense, because the sides of the triangle are a bit less than 1/2 the sides of the square, so the area of the triangle will be a bit less than 1/8 of the square's area---that is, the probability will be a bit less than 1/8 = 0.125.
 
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