Induced charg by chagr distribution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced charge on a conductor when influenced by a charge distribution, specifically comparing the scenario of a point charge to that of a charge distribution such as a conducting disc. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to electrostatics.

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  • One participant notes the challenge of calculating induced charge when replacing a point charge with a charge distribution, expressing uncertainty about the method.
  • Another participant suggests that the method of image charges can be extended to charge distributions, emphasizing the principle of linear superposition in electromagnetics.
  • This participant also mentions that while the method of images is applicable to certain geometries, the problem becomes more complex when considering the interaction between charge distributions on conductors.
  • They propose a different approach by treating the problem in terms of potentials rather than charge distributions, suggesting the use of Laplace's equation and boundary conditions to find solutions.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the insights shared, indicating that the discussion has provided reassurance and clarity.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive method for calculating induced charge in this context. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the applicability of the method of images and the complexity introduced by charge distributions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their approaches, including the dependency on specific geometries for the method of images and the potential need for numerical techniques in more complex scenarios.

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Hi everybody
It's easy (and well known) to calculate the charge distribution of a condutor in the presence of a point chage. BUT if we change this point charge and put an charge distribution... like a condutor disc, how can I calculate the induced chage of the other conductor??

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Even using the method of image charges is is too dificul to calculate... I have no idea
 
If you have a geometry where you can use image charges then nothing is changed by replacing the point charge with a distribution of charges. Electromagnetics follows linear superposition and since this is a static problem your total solution will be the solution for each individual charge in your distribution. So you can just find the image of the charge distribution and calculate the field from the image.

Of course using images is only limited to a small subset of problems, but the point still stands. If you can solve for a single charge then you can just extend the method for a distribution of charges. The primary difference will lie in that you will have to integrate over the charge distribution (much like you would sum up over a finite set of charges) to get the total field.

This is assuming that your charge distribution will not change in the presence of an applied field. But if you were to charge a conducting disc then the charge distribution on your disc will change due to the interaction of the original charge distribution with the induced charge distribution on your conductor. In this case it is a much more difficult problem. However, you can solve this problem more easily by first noting that a conductor is an equipotential surface. So instead of trying to work from the standpoint of:
I have charge distribution A on a conducting object. I bring in conducting object B. What is the new charge distributions on A and B?

You work from the viewpoint of:
I have an object A with a potential of X. I bring in B. What is the charge distribution on A and B where A has a potential of X and B has a potential of 0 when they are infinitely separated?

You can represent this problem as a differential equation, Laplace's equation, and using the appropriate boundary conditions you can then solve for the potential on the surfaces of the objects. There are some problems where you can solve this analytically (method of images is just an example of this) but sometimes you need to use numerical techniques like method of moments or relaxation methods.
 
man.. thanks a lot, really, i was freaking out here... I needed to hear (read) it from someone. Thanks!
 

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