Induced EMF and a circular loop of wire

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The discussion revolves around the induced electromotive force (emf) in a circular loop of wire subjected to a change in orientation within a magnetic field. The problem involves a 25-turn loop with a diameter of 1m, flipped 180 degrees in a magnetic field of 50 microteslas over 0.2 seconds.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore two equations for calculating emf: one involving magnetic flux and the other focusing on the rate of change of magnetic field. There is confusion regarding why one equation yields zero while the other does not.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the validity of their approaches and the relationship between the two equations. Some have suggested that both equations should yield the same result, while others are examining the implications of calculating emf at a specific instant versus over a time interval.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions related to the change in magnetic field and the interpretation of the equations used. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of the underlying principles of electromagnetic induction.

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Homework Statement


A 25-turn circular loop of wire has a diameter of 1m. In 0.2 seconds it is flipped 180 degrees at a location where the magnitude of the Earth's magnetic field is 50 micro T. What is the emf generated in the loop?

Homework Equations


-(dB/dt)(A)=V

The Attempt at a Solution


When I use NABwsin(wt)=V, I get zero. When I use -(dB/dt)(A)=V, I get a non-zero number. I believe the 2nd equation works but why doesn't the first work?

Thanks for any help.
 
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anonymousphys said:

Homework Statement


A 25-turn circular loop of wire has a diameter of 1m. In 0.2 seconds it is flipped 180 degrees at a location where the magnitude of the Earth's magnetic field is 50 micro T. What is the emf generated in the loop?


Homework Equations


-(dB/dt)(A)=V


The Attempt at a Solution


When I use NABwsin(wt)=V, I get zero. When I use -(dB/dt)(A)=V, I get a non-zero number. I believe the 2nd equation works but why doesn't the first work?

Thanks for any help.

Where does the first equation come from? If you used d/dt[BA] = V is B changing?
 
Thanks for the reply. NABwsin(wt)=V comes from taking the derivative of NABcos(wt)=magnetic flux. The 2nd equation should be taking into account the change in angle. Shouldn't both equations lead to the same answer?
 
anonymousphys said:
Thanks for the reply. NABwsin(wt)=V comes from taking the derivative of NABcos(wt)=magnetic flux. The 2nd equation should be taking into account the change in angle. Shouldn't both equations lead to the same answer?

I believe they should. How did you get 0 for the first equation? I do not get 0.
 
Show the work on both because when I use the 2nd equation all that happens is I derive the first equation.
 
zachzach said:
I believe they should. How did you get 0 for the first equation? I do not get 0.

w=pi/(.2)
sin(wt) when t=(.2) equals 0.

Hm..I think I'm not using the equation correctly?
 
Doh! I see what you mean :/.
 
Here's my thoughts: By plugging in wt only for the final time, you only are calculating the emf produced at that instant. So maybe you should use:

V = -d/dt(BA) = -[BA(Final) - BA(Initial)]/[t(Final) - t(Initial)]

sorry cannot get fraction in latex to work, I am a newb.
 
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<br /> <br /> V = -\frac{d}{dt}[BA] = -[\frac{BA_f - BA_i}{t_f - t_i}]<br /> <br />

I did it in latex :).
 

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