Induced surface charge density

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of induced surface charge density on an infinite conducting plane in the presence of a point charge located above it. Participants explore the application of Gauss's Law and the method of image charges to derive the formula for surface charge density, as well as the conditions under which the electric field is zero below the plane.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the formula for induced surface charge density, specifically the use of the equation ##\sigma=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}_{(z=0)}##.
  • Another participant explains the application of Gauss's Law and describes how to calculate the electric field and surface charge density using the method of image charges.
  • Multiple participants reiterate the same derivation steps, emphasizing the integration of Gauss's Law over a small volume near the conducting surface.
  • A question is raised regarding why the electric field is zero for ##z<0##, indicating a potential area of uncertainty or misunderstanding.
  • One participant asserts that the solution is unique for the boundary-value problem, suggesting a level of confidence in the established method but not addressing the earlier question directly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is a shared understanding of the method of image charges and the application of Gauss's Law, the discussion includes a question about the condition of the electric field being zero below the plane, indicating that not all participants may agree on this aspect.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the question regarding the electric field for ##z<0##, leaving it as an open point of inquiry. Additionally, the derivation relies on specific assumptions about the configuration of the charge and the conducting plane.

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Hello! I am a bit confused about calculating the induced surface charge density on an infinite conducting plane, with 0 potential, in the presence of a charge, q, a distance d above it. Assuming that the plane is in xy plane and the charge in positive z region, in the book they use the method of mirror charges to calculate the potential V at every point in space and in order to calculate the surface charge density they use: ##\sigma=-\epsilon_0\frac{\partial V}{\partial z}_{(z=0)}##. How do they get to this formula?
Thank you!
 
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Take Gauss's Law (in SI units :nb))
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \rho.$$
On the surface you have a jump in the electric field since for ##z<0## it's identically 0 and for ##z>0## it's described by the potential
$$V(\vec{r})=\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2}} -\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+d)^2}}, \quad z>0,$$
as you should have figured out from the method of image charges.

Now integrate Gauss's Law over a little cube parallel to the ##xy## plane around ##\vec{r}=(x,y,0)## on the surface. The total charge included is
$$Q_V=\epsilon_0 E_z \Delta A,$$
where ##\Delta A## is the area of the surface parallel to the ##xy## plane, where ##E_z## is to be taken at ##(x,y,0^+)##, because all other contributions of the surface integral cancel or the field is ##0## for ##z<0##. Thus at the end you get
$$\sigma(x,y)=\epsilon_0 E_z(x,y,0^+)=-\epsilon_0 \partial_z V(x,y,0^+).$$
 
vanhees71 said:
Take Gauss's Law (in SI units :nb))
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \rho.$$
On the surface you have a jump in the electric field since for ##z<0## it's identically 0 and for ##z>0## it's described by the potential
$$V(\vec{r})=\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2}} -\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+d)^2}}, \quad z>0,$$
as you should have figured out from the method of image charges.

Now integrate Gauss's Law over a little cube parallel to the ##xy## plane around ##\vec{r}=(x,y,0)## on the surface. The total charge included is
$$Q_V=\epsilon_0 E_z \Delta A,$$
where ##\Delta A## is the area of the surface parallel to the ##xy## plane, where ##E_z## is to be taken at ##(x,y,0^+)##, because all other contributions of the surface integral cancel or the field is ##0## for ##z<0##. Thus at the end you get
$$\sigma(x,y)=\epsilon_0 E_z(x,y,0^+)=-\epsilon_0 \partial_z V(x,y,0^+).$$
Awesome! Thank you!
 
vanhees71 said:
Take Gauss's Law (in SI units :nb))
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \rho.$$
On the surface you have a jump in the electric field since for ##z<0## it's identically 0 and for ##z>0## it's described by the potential
$$V(\vec{r})=\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z-d)^2}} -\frac{q}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+(z+d)^2}}, \quad z>0,$$
as you should have figured out from the method of image charges.

Now integrate Gauss's Law over a little cube parallel to the ##xy## plane around ##\vec{r}=(x,y,0)## on the surface. The total charge included is
$$Q_V=\epsilon_0 E_z \Delta A,$$
where ##\Delta A## is the area of the surface parallel to the ##xy## plane, where ##E_z## is to be taken at ##(x,y,0^+)##, because all other contributions of the surface integral cancel or the field is ##0## for ##z<0##. Thus at the end you get
$$\sigma(x,y)=\epsilon_0 E_z(x,y,0^+)=-\epsilon_0 \partial_z V(x,y,0^+).$$
Sorry, I have a question actually. Why is the electric field 0, for z<0?
 
That's obviously a solution of the boundary-value problem, and it's known to be unique. So this must be the solution for this electrostatic problem.
 

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