Induced Surface Current in Conducting Plane, Dropped Charge

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The problem involves a charge released above a grounded infinite conducting plane, focusing on the induced surface current density and the magnetic force on the charge. The subject area includes electromagnetism and magnetic boundary conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of Ampere's Law and the symmetry of the system in relation to the magnetic field and force on the charge. Questions arise about the relationship between the magnetic field's direction and the force experienced by the charge.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the symmetry of the system and its effects on the magnetic field, while others are exploring how to approach the calculation of the induced surface current density. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the electric potential and the charge's motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of determining the surface charge density and its dependence on the charge's distance from the plane, as well as the implications of the charge's acceleration on the electric potential.

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Homework Statement


a) A charge q is released a distance d above a grounded infinite conducting plane. It's non relativistic velocity is v. Find the induced surface current density on the plane.
b) Show that the above current density produces a vanishing magnetic force on the charge.

Homework Equations


Magnetic Boundary Conditions: B_above-B_below = K_f x n.
Magnetic Force on Charge: F=qvBsinΘ

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not at all sure what to do for part a) but for b) Ampere's Law applied to a rectangle passing through the plane implies that the field is parallel to the plane so the cross product gives 0.
 
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Ichigo449 said:
for b) Ampere's Law applied to a rectangle passing through the plane implies that the field is parallel to the plane so the cross product gives 0.
If the B field is parallel to the plane at the location of the charge, why would the cross product of v and B yield zero?
 
Right, they would be perpendicular so one of the magnitudes needs to zero.
 
Symmetry in the system should help in determining the magnitude of B along the line of fall of the charge.
 
Which symmetry are you referring to?
 
If the system is rotated about a certain axis, there is no change in the induced surface-current distribution. So, there can be no change in the B field pattern if the system is rotated about this axis. That should tell you something about B for points on the axis of symmetry.
 
So azimuthal symmetry about the line of fall of the charge would make sense. I'm just not seeing the connection between that and zero magnetic field on the line. Is it an Amperian loop?
 
Question (b) only asks you to show that the magnetic force on the charge is zero. Azimuthal symmetry alone implies that even if B is nonzero on the axis of symmetry, it must point in a certain direction. From this direction you should be able to conclude that the force is zero.

If you want to show that B is actually zero on the axis of symmetry, you can use the Biot-Savart law along with the symmetric distribution of the current density.
 
Oh, thank you. I understand where I was going wrong now. The magnetic field will have to point along the line of fall so the force vanishes.
 
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Ichigo449 said:
Oh, thank you. I understand where I was going wrong now. The magnetic field will have to point along the line of fall so the force vanishes.
Yes, that's right.
 
  • #11
You could also use the fact if there were a magnetic force, it would necessarily be perpendicular to the velocity (i.e., perpendicular to the symmetry axis). But this force sticking out in some direction would violate the rotational symmetry.
 
  • #12
So that's part b), could I get a hint how to begin part a)? The only idea I have is to somehow use magnetic boundary conditions.
 
  • #13
Can you see a way to get the surface charge density σ on the conducting plane?
 
  • #14
If the charge wasn't moving, yes.
The logic would be that from Gauss' Law the electric field at the surface of the plane is σ/ε, which is equal to the normal derivative of the electric potential evaluated at the surface of the plane. So from the method of images the potential is the same as that due to two oppositely charged point charges.
So I suppose my real difficulty with the question is that I'm not sure how the electric potential changes when the charge is accelerating.
 
  • #15
σ at a point of the plane will depend on the distance d of the point charge from the plane. Therefore dσ/dt will depend on the velocity v of the point charge. You should be able to relate dσ/dt to the current density K.
 

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