Induction: 3^(2n) - 1 is an integral multiple of 8

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The discussion revolves around proving by induction that the expression 3^(2n) - 1 is an integral multiple of 8 for all positive integers n ≥ 1. The participants explore the properties of the expression and its divisibility by 8.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss initial attempts by substituting values for n and checking divisibility. There are questions about the induction process, particularly regarding the transition from P(n) to P(n+1). Some participants suggest using modular arithmetic, while others express uncertainty about this approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on how to structure the proof. There is a recognition of the need to relate the n+1 case back to the n case, but no consensus has been reached on the exact steps to take.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention a lack of familiarity with modular notation, which complicates their understanding of the problem. There are also references to the need for clarity on how to express the relationship between k_n and k_{n+1} in the context of the induction proof.

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Homework Statement


Prove by induction that,
3^(2n) - 1 is an integral multiple of 8
for all positive n >= 1.


Homework Equations


3^(2n) - 1


The Attempt at a Solution



First I plugged in some values for n..

Some values I plugged in
(1) 3^2(1) - 1 = 8
(2) 3^2(2) - 1 = 80
(3) 3^2(3) - 1 = 728
(4) 3^2(4) - 1 = 6560
(5) 3^2(5) - 1 = 59048

These answers are all divisible by 8.
3^(2n) - 1 = 8x ?? Would that be correct?
3^(2n+1) - 1 = ? How do I show this next step?
I don't have an example of a multiple variable induction problem so I am not really sure how it's supposed to work.
 
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I don't see multiple variables. Use the normal method of solving a problem by induction.
 
To prove something by induction, for some statement P(n) where n is some positive integer, you must simply do the following:

1/ Show that it is true for k=1, that is P(k) is true.

2/ Show that for each k>=1 that P(k+1) is true.

For the first part, you have already done this:

3^2*1 -1 = 8 -> it is divisible by 8.

Now just do the second part !

HINT : You can change this notation to 3^2n = 1 mod 8 to make life a little easier...
 
Hmm, mod 8? We never covered that in class so I wasn't sure of the notation.

So I have 3^2n = 1 mod 8 as my P(n) statement and now I need to show that the statement is also true for 3^2(n+1) = 1 mod 8.
So I multiply both side by two three's (or 9) to get the + 1 portion of the exponent...

3*3[3^2(n)] = 3*3[1 mod 8]
Which expands out to..
3^2n+2 = 3*3[1 mod 8]
3^2(n+1) = 3*3[1 mod 8]

I don't think my teacher would enjoy the mod notation. lol
 
Go back to the usual notation...

Start with 3^{2(n+1)} - 1
 
enian said:
Hmm, mod 8? We never covered that in class so I wasn't sure of the notation.

So I have 3^2n = 1 mod 8 as my P(n) statement and now I need to show that the statement is also true for 3^2(n+1) = 1 mod 8.
So I multiply both side by two three's (or 9) to get the + 1 portion of the exponent...

3*3[3^2(n)] = 3*3[1 mod 8]
Which expands out to..
3^2n+2 = 3*3[1 mod 8]
3^2(n+1) = 3*3[1 mod 8]

I don't think my teacher would enjoy the mod notation. lol

oof...

3^2n = 1 mod 8 means that the remainder of 3^2n when divided by 8 is 1. It is another way of saying that 3^2n - 1 is a multiple of 8 (3^2n - 1 = 0 mod 8).

3^2(n+1) = 3^(2n+2) = (3^2n)*(3^2) = (3^2n)*(9) = (3^2n)*1 mod 8

But since you haven't done modulus arithmetic, you probably won't understand how to use this - the main argument being that 3^2n and 3^2(n+1) have the same remainder mod 8.

Just do step 2 using the notation that you are familiar with, as neutrino has said.
 
Forget the mod. Think induction. P(n)---->P(n+1). If 8/9^n -1 , then 9^n -1 =8k for some k in N. Then you need to show that 8/9^(n+1) -1 . Which means that 8/9 * 9^n -1 or 8/(8+1)* 9^n -1 . Can you take it from here ?
 
Okay so..

3^{2n}-1 = something*8
3^{2n}-1 = 8(k)
\frac{3^{2n}-1}{8} = k

We want to show that
\frac{3^{2(n+1)+1}-1}{8} = multiple.of.8


9(\frac{3^{2n}-1}{8}) = 9(k)
\frac{3^{(2n+2)}-9}{8} = 9k
\frac{(3^{2n})(3^{2})-9}{8} = 9k
\frac{(3^{2n})(9)-9}{8} = 9k

Am I headed in the right direction?
 
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Yep, you are about 2 or 3 lines away from showing that is always a multiple of 8

HINT:3^{2n}-1=8k
try finding an expression for 3^{2n}
 
  • #10
\frac{(3^{2n})(9)-9}{8} = 9k

so from this..

8(\frac{(3^{2n})(9)-9}{8}) = 8(9k)
3^{2n}(9)-9} = 72k
3^{2n}(9)} = 72k+9
3^{2n}(9) = 9(8k+1)
3^{2n}(9) = 3^{2n}(9)
1 = 1?

I'm lost. lol
 
  • #11
Where did that first line come from?

We know, by assumption that 3^2n -1 is an integer multiple of 8, now, we need to take 3^2(n+1) -1 and some how write it in terms of 3^2n-1 and some other terms, so do it - this is the only thing in induction as I've told you before - relate the n+1st statement to the n'th statement.
 
  • #12
Well, that's what I was trying to do. I don't see how your advice helps.
 
  • #13
3^{2(n+1)} - 1= 9.3^{2n} - 1 = ...

Is there a way you can factor out that 9?

(It is assumed that 3^{2n} - 1 is a multiple of eight.)
 
  • #14
Where did the 9.3 come from? or was it supposed to be 9(3^{2n})

The only ways I see to factor that is either by factoring it leaving you with
9(3^{2n} - 1/9)

or, by adding the - 1 to the other side.. ?

I think you're suggesting I substitute the 3^{2n} - 1 for some expression that is a multiple of 8, but I have no idea what that would be.

9(8k) = ?
 
  • #15
enian said:
Where did the 9.3 come from? or was it supposed to be 9(3^{2n})
Yes, 9 times 3 raised to 2n.

The only ways I see to factor that is either by factoring it leaving you with
9(3^{2n} - 1/9)

or, by adding the - 1 to the other side.. ?

I think you're suggesting I substitute the 3^{2n} - 1 for some expression that is a multiple of 8, but I have no idea what that would be.

9(8k) = ?

Or you could rewrite the 1 and 9 - 8. [or the -1 as (-9 + 8), if you prefer.]
 
  • #16
Neutrino simply factored a 9 out of 3^{2(n+1)}, like this: 3^{2(n+1)} = 3^{2n+2} 3^2\cdot3^{2n}= 9\cdot3^{2n}. You simply have to show that if 3^{2n}-1= k_n\cdot8 then 3^{2(n+1)}-1=k_{n+1}\cdot8. Using the expansion, this becomes 9\cdot3^{2n}-1=k_{n+1}\cdot8. Can you proceed from here?
 
  • #17
Yea I see what you mean. This may be a dumb question but how is k_{n} ever going to become k_{n+1} since we don't know what k is?
 
  • #18
Ok. Time for an even bigger hint. Induction always starts by assuming the induction relation is true for some value of n, in this case, that

3^{2n}-1 = k_n\cdot 8

which is obviously true for n=1 with k_1=1.
Next step: Expand the relationship for n+1:

3^{2(n+1)}-1 = k_{n+1}\cdot 8

expanding the exponential term, this becomes

9\cdot3^{2n}-1 = k_{n+1}\cdot 8

You already know that 3^{2n}-1 = k_n\cdot 8 or 3^{2n} = 1+k_n\cdot 8 Insert this in the above expansion.
 

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