Induction: How Nearby Coils Generate Current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction, specifically addressing why a current is produced in one coil when it is placed near another coil that carries current. The scope includes theoretical explanations and concepts related to electromagnetic fields and induction, with references to transformer theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that a current running through a coil generates an electromagnetic field, which can induce a current in a nearby coil.
  • It is noted that for induction to occur, the current in the first coil must be alternating; a steady DC current will not induce a current in the second coil.
  • Participants discuss the implications of having two coils supplied with power and the clarity of the original question posed.
  • One participant suggests that the topic can be broken down into smaller parts, explaining that a changing magnetic field induces current in a conductor and discussing the concept of magnetic flux.
  • References to transformer theory are made, indicating that two coils near each other function similarly to a transformer.
  • Another participant mentions Maxwell's Equations as a source for a more eloquent explanation of the phenomenon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of clarity regarding the original question and the mechanisms of induction. While some points about electromagnetic fields and induction are agreed upon, the discussion includes differing interpretations and explanations, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of the conditions under which induction occurs, such as the need for a changing magnetic field, and the physical alignment of the coils. There is also mention of the potential confusion surrounding the terminology used in describing magnetic fields.

Kavyesh Talwar
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why is current produced in a coil if it is placed near other current caarrying coil
 
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Kavyesh Talwar said:
why is current produced in a coil if it is placed near other current caarrying coil

If a current is run through a coil, it will produce an electromagnetic field around the coil. If a different coil is placed inside that field, the electromagnetic field from the first will induce a current in the second.
 
XZ923 said:
If a current is run through a coil, it will produce an electromagnetic field around the coil. If a different coil is placed inside that field, the electromagnetic field from the first will induce a current in the second.

with the important point that the current in the first coil must be alternating ( oscillating)

ie. if it is a non varying DC current, there will be no induced voltage/current into the second coil
 
XZ923 said:
If a current is run through a coil, it will produce an electromagnetic field around the coil. If a different coil is placed inside that field, the electromagnetic field from the first will induce a current in the second.
He hasn't asked question clearly but he was mean that what happen if two coil both are supplied power placed near?
 
Hello Alph and welcome.. sorry but your comment was not clear at all.
 
Alphany Tz said:
He hasn't asked question clearly but he was mean that what happen if two coil both are supplied power placed near?
that just doesn't make sense at all
 
XZ923 said:
If a current is run through a coil, it will produce an electromagnetic field around the coil. If a different coil is placed inside that field, the electromagnetic field from the first will induce a current in the second.
Kavyesh Talwar said:
why is current produced in a coil if it is placed near other current caarrying coil
but how actually is the current produced
 
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Kavyesh Talwar said:
why is current produced in a coil if it is placed near other current caarrying coil

See: Maxwell Equations. They'll give you the answer you want much more eloquently and clearly than I can.
 
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One of the benefits of this topic is that it can be broken down into smaller parts:

1) Current flow produces a magnetic field - even when you pass DC current though a conductor, or a wrapped coil of conductors, at the initial "turn on" the magnetic field is changing, once the DC current has reached steady state - the magnetic field is no longer changing - but is still there!

2) A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a conductor that intersects the conductor. This is induction -- if we move a conductor through a static (non-changing ) field we induce current. (permanent magnet generator with stationary magnets and moving windings) - if we hold a conductor stationary and move the magnet (field), current is also induced.

Commonly described as when magnetic flux lines* cut through a conductor current is induced. ( the purists here will be offended by the notion of magnetic flux lines - however that is the common introduction - they are not truly lines - the Mag Field is continuous, personally I suppose this notion comes from studying magnetic with iron filings - when you do this you see lines - but I digress... )

So in general we look at (study) creating magnetic fields - with magnets or with electromagnets-- once the field is established it does not matter HOW it is created.

OK - now take a conductor or coil (coil A), and turn the current on and off... you can understand you are creating and stopping a magnetic field. If you reverse the current the magnetic field is also reversed.

Now put another conductor or coil (coil B) - in the area of Coil A above (physical alignment of the conductors or coils does matter )... as the magnetic flux from coil A is not expanding and collapsing -- it is intersecting whit the Conductors in Coil B, this magnetic field induces current in Coil B.
 

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