Inelastic collision at an angle with two cars

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The discussion revolves around an inelastic collision involving two cars of equal mass, where one car travels north and the other at an angle south of east. Participants are attempting to derive the final velocity of the combined system after the collision in terms of the initial speeds and the angle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the conservation of momentum and how to set up the equations correctly. There are attempts to express the final velocity in terms of known variables while questioning the roles of mass and angles in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's setups and equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conservation of momentum in both directions, but there is no clear consensus on how to eliminate certain variables or correctly formulate the equations.

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Participants are navigating constraints related to the variables they can use, specifically the desire to express the final velocity without including mass or the angle theta in the final equation.

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almost there-inelastic collision at an angle

Two cars, both of mass m, collide and stick together. Prior to the collision, one car had been traveling north at speed 2v, while the second was traveling at speed v at an angle phi south of east. After the collision, the two-car system travels at speed v(final) at an angle theta east of north.

I want to find v(final) in terms of v and phi.

Only momentum is conserved, so would I just use m1(2v1)+m2v2cos(phi)=(m1+v1)v(final)sin(theta)

or could it be (m1+m2)2vcos(phi) divided by (m1+m2)

I'm not sure how to set up the equation...I've been confusing myself...
 
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Please help me understand.
 
You mixed the sines and cosines up - it should be: m(2v)+m(v)sin(phi) =(2m)v(final)cos(theta)
 
Thanks. okay, so...

m2v+ mv sin(phi) divided by 2m cos(theta) is v(final)?

how can I get v(final) with only v and Phi? I can't have m or theta in the equation.
 
Well, to get rid of m, you can obviously divide the whole equation by m. :smile:
 
Wouldn't there be an extra m on the bottom, and how could I get rid of theta and be left with phi, or does theta count for much (is it negligible)?
 
huh said:
Wouldn't there be an extra m on the bottom, and how could I get rid of theta and be left with phi, or does theta count for much (is it negligible)?

Since momentum is a vector quantity, you can write the equation of conservation of momentum for the other direction, too. (The x-direction.) That should allow you to elliminate the angle phi.
 
what does v final look like?

what do u mean write the equation of momentum for the other direction?
 

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