Inelastic collisions - conservation of energy

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Inelastic collisions involve the conservation of momentum, but kinetic energy is not conserved due to external forces like gravity and normal force acting on the blocks. The initial velocity of the smaller mass before the collision can be calculated using energy conservation principles, leading to a derived expression for velocity. The problem requires systematic analysis, starting with the velocity of the smaller mass just before impact and then determining the velocities of both masses post-collision. The confusion arises from discrepancies between calculated values and textbook answers, indicating a need for careful step-by-step verification of the calculations. Understanding the dynamics of the collision and applying the correct formulas is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



K = E + U
E = 1/2mv^2
U = mgh


The Attempt at a Solution


So I think that for a, half the final velocity of m is equal to the initial velocity of 2m. So that's v = sqrt(2gr)/2? Momentum is not conserved because normal force and gravity are acting on block m correct? Then what do I do from there, and on b and c?
 
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mintsnapple said:

Homework Statement



20r72hc.png


Homework Equations



K = E + U
E = 1/2mv^2
U = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


So I think that for a, half the final velocity of m is equal to the initial velocity of 2m. So that's v = sqrt(2gr)/2? Momentum is not conserved because normal force and gravity are acting on block m correct? Then what do I do from there, and on b and c?

This is a multi-stage problem.

Attack it systematically.

First, the block with mass, m, slides down the ramp. What is its velocity immediately before it collides with the block of mass 2m ?

Then there is the collision.

What velocity does each block have immediately after the collision?

The rest of this depends upon those velocities.
 
So then,
mgr = 1/2mv1 + 1/2(2m)v2 right?
So, v2 = sqrt(gr-1/2(v1)^2)

From the kinematics formula, the time it takes for the block to fall is
R = 1/2gt^2
So t = sqrt(2R/g)

But my book says the answer is 4/3*sqrt(Rr), but v2*t is clearly not the same...what am I doing wrong?
 
mintsnapple said:
So then,
mgr = 1/2mv1 + 1/2(2m)v2 right?
So, v2 = sqrt(gr-1/2(v1)^2)

From the kinematics formula, the time it takes for the block to fall is
R = 1/2gt^2
So t = sqrt(2R/g)

But my book says the answer is 4/3*sqrt(Rr), but v2*t is clearly not the same...what am I doing wrong?
Which answer?


It appears that you have not taken care to go though each step that's involved here.

You do have the speed of the small mass immediately prior to the collision correct.


Then there is the collision.

How do you propose to analyze that? It's an elastic collision. What velocity does each mass have immediately after the collision (including direction).
Hint: Yes, you need to use conservation of momentum.​


After that, you might begin to concern yourself with the distances asked for.


After that you
 
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