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Inertia for a special yo-yo help

  1. Jul 26, 2008 #1
    Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    A yo-yo is made of two solid cylindrical disks, each of mass M and diameter D, , joined by a (concentric) thin solid cylindrical hub of mass m and diameter d. Use conservation of energy to calculate the linear speed of the yo-yo just before it reaches the end of its long string length L, if it is released from rest.


    2. Relevant equations
    KE for translational: 0.5*m*v^2
    KE for rotational: 0.5*I*w^2
    PE: mgh

    for this problem: potential = KE(trans) + KE(rot)

    3. The attempt at a solution
    My main concern is how to treat the inertias for the 3 cylindrical objects (2 identical big cylindrical disks and 1 small cylindrical hub). At first I tried to simply combine the inertias for all 3 into one KE equation (i.e. I = all 3 cylindrical objects...KE(rot) = .5*I*w^2.) but when I tried to convert the w to v/r I couldnt decide which r to use (disk or hub). So then I tried to separate the KE(rot) into 2 (1 for hub, 1 for 2 disks). this way allowed me to have different r for the w=v/r substitution, but my answers came out wrong. How then should I do this problem?
     
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  3. Jul 26, 2008 #2

    Dick

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    Use the radius of the hub to compute w. You can certainly add the moments of inertia. They are all rotating at the same rate. Beyond that it's hard to say why you are getting wrong answers until you tell us the answers you are getting.
     
  4. Jul 27, 2008 #3
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    is there any reason to use that over the radius of the cylindrical disks?
     
  5. Jul 27, 2008 #4

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    I used my technical knowledge of yoyo's. They consist of two big disks with a smaller hub in between. The string wraps around the hub.
     
  6. Jul 27, 2008 #5
    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    Heres what I get after simplifying the Kf=Ki

    v is velocity, d is for the disks, h is for the hub, L is for height/string length

    v[tex]^{2}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{2m_{tot}gL}{m_{tot}+M_{d}\frac{R_{d}}{R_{h}}^{2}+0.5M_{h}}[/tex]

    I plugged in the numbers that my book version that the question provides and I still don't get the right answer. If you want to try,
    mass of disk = 0.050kg
    mass of hub = 0.005kg
    diameter of disk = 0.075m
    diameter of hub = 0.010m

    answer comes out to be: 0.84m/s

    I didn't bother to convert the diameter to radius since it just cancels out in my equation.
     
  7. Jul 27, 2008 #6
    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    ...so i guess its just something that you'd have to know about yo-yos
     
  8. Jul 27, 2008 #7

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    That looks correct to me. What's L?
     
  9. Jul 27, 2008 #8
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    L is the length of the string which I assume to basically be the height since the string goes that length down.
     
  10. Jul 27, 2008 #9

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    I meant, what's the numerical value you put in for L?
     
  11. Jul 27, 2008 #10
    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    oh im sorry. I put in 1m.
     
  12. Jul 27, 2008 #11

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    I get the same formula you get, but when I put your numbers in I don't get 0.84m/s. I get something pretty close, though. Can you check your arithmetic??
     
  13. Jul 27, 2008 #12
    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    im getting .613

    0.84 is what the book says is the answer.
     
  14. Jul 27, 2008 #13

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    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    The value I calculated was sqrt(4*9.8/(2+7.5^2+1/2)). I divided numerator and denominator by the mass of one of the large disks. That's 0.817. Not 0.84. So I guess I don't know.
     
  15. Jul 27, 2008 #14
    Re: Inertia for a special yo-yo help!!!

    okay i just assume the book has rounding mistakes...thanks very much for your abundance of help though!
     
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