How Do You Calculate the Moment of Inertia and Stopping Time of a Yo-Yo?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia and stopping time of a yo-yo, specifically focusing on the effects of tension applied to the string and the resulting angular motion. The problem involves concepts from rotational dynamics, including torque, angular acceleration, and moment of inertia of a hollow cylinder.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between torque and angular momentum to find the moment of inertia. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of the problem's wording regarding the yo-yo's motion and the assumptions about its falling state. Questions arise about calculating torque, angular acceleration, and the implications of the angle between the string and the radius of the yo-yo.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the validity of initial approaches and seeking clarification on various aspects. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of torque and the need for a free body diagram. There is an ongoing exploration of the angular acceleration and its units, with participants considering different interpretations of the problem setup.

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There is uncertainty regarding the outer radius of the yo-yo and the angle at which the string interacts with the inner rod. The problem also introduces a new scenario involving friction and stopping time, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A yo-yo is spun from rest by pulling on the string with a constant tension of 2.0 N. The radius of the inner rod on which the string is strung round is 0.50 cm. The tension is applied for 5.0 seconds after which the yo-yo is observed to spin with an angular velocity of 15 rad/sec.

a)What is the moment of inertia of the yo-yo?
b)What is the total angle the yo-yo has traveled through in these 5 seconds?

Homework Equations



Moment of Inertia of hollow cylinder: I= 1/2*m*(r1^2+r2^2)


The Attempt at a Solution



For a) I know the moment of inertia of the yo-yo (hollow cylinder) is 1/2*m*(r1^2+r2^2). We are given the inner radius, but I have no idea how to find the outer radius. I know how to find the mass since we know the tension and we can work backwards.

For b) I don't even get what the problem means?

Any help appreciated! Thanks!
 
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lobbob said:

Homework Statement



A yo-yo is spun from rest by pulling on the string with a constant tension of 2.0 N. The radius of the inner rod on which the string is strung round is 0.50 cm. The tension is applied for 5.0 seconds after which the yo-yo is observed to spin with an angular velocity of 15 rad/sec.

a)What is the moment of inertia of the yo-yo?
b)What is the total angle the yo-yo has traveled through in these 5 seconds?

Homework Equations



Moment of Inertia of hollow cylinder: I= 1/2*m*(r1^2+r2^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



For a) I know the moment of inertia of the yo-yo (hollow cylinder) is 1/2*m*(r1^2+r2^2). We are given the inner radius, but I have no idea how to find the outer radius. I know how to find the mass since we know the tension and we can work backwards.

For b) I don't even get what the problem means?

Any help appreciated! Thanks!
Hello lobbob. Welcome to PF !

That formula for the moment of inertia, I= (1/2)*m*(r12+r22) doesn't pertain to this problem. You calculate the Moment of Inertia, I, by relating torque and angular momentum.

It's not clear from the wording of the problem, whether the yo-yo is free to fall during this 5 second time interval, or whether it sits on a frictionless surface.

You will likely need a free body diagram for the yo-yo.
 
SammyS said:
Hello lobbob. Welcome to PF !

That formula for the moment of inertia, I= (1/2)*m*(r12+r22) doesn't pertain to this problem. You calculate the Moment of Inertia, I, by relating torque and angular momentum.

It's not clear from the wording of the problem, whether the yo-yo is free to fall during this 5 second time interval, or whether it sits on a frictionless surface.

You will likely need a free body diagram for the yo-yo.

Thanks, a lot. You can assume the yo-yo is free to fall during this 5 second time interval. So can you also help me with part b. And, for calculating the torque, what would be the distance. Thanks
 
lobbob said:
Thanks, a lot. You can assume the yo-yo is free to fall during this 5 second time interval. So can you also help me with part b. And, for calculating the torque, what would be the distance. Thanks
I'm curious.

What is your result for part (a) ? The method you outlined initially will not work.


What is the angular acceleration of the yo-yo, assuming that angular acceleration is constant?
 
SammyS said:
I'm curious.

What is your result for part (a) ? The method you outlined initially will not work.What is the angular acceleration of the yo-yo, assuming that angular acceleration is constant?

The method I outlined was a start, then I realized it didn't work. That's why I asked for help.

I think the angular acceleration of the yo-yo would be 15 rad/s=0+a*5.0s. a=3.0 rad/s.

Also, could you please help me find the torque and the result for part(b). Thanks a lot! You saved my life. :)
 
lobbob said:
The method I outlined was a start, then I realized it didn't work. That's why I asked for help.

I think the angular acceleration of the yo-yo would be 15 rad/s=0+a*5.0s. a=3.0 rad/s.

Also, could you please help me find the torque and the result for part(b). Thanks a lot! You saved my life. :)
Find the torque about the center of the yo-yo. --That should be the center of mass.

Do you know how to find torque given the applied force?By the way, those are the wrong units for angular acceleration.
 
SammyS said:
Find the torque about the center of the yo-yo. --That should be the center of mass.

Do you know how to find torque given the applied force?


By the way, those are the wrong units for angular acceleration.

The torque is r*F*sin(theta)? We already know the radius and force but what is the angle. Also, what are the right units for angular acceleration. Is 3 right, just the wrong units. Thanks!
 
lobbob said:
The torque is r*F*sin(theta)? We already know the radius and force but what is the angle.
What angle does the string make with the radius of the inner rod at the point the string leaves the inner rod?

Also, what are the right units for angular acceleration. Is 3 right, just the wrong units. Thanks!
The equation you solved to get angular acceleration was correct. Combine the units of the angular velocity and time, which are what you used to get the answer. (If the units are wrong, the answer is wrong.)
 
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SammyS said:
What angle does the string make with the radius of the inner rod at the point the string leaves the inner rod?


The equation you solved to get angular acceleration was correct. Combine the units of the angular velocity and time, which are what you used to get the answer. (If the units are wrong, the answer is wrong.)

I will just assume the angle is 90 deg. Do you think this is safe since it never actually states it. Thanks!
 
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lobbob said:
I will just assume the angle is 90 deg. Do you think this is safe since it never actually states it. Thanks!

You don't have to assume it.

The vertical portion of the string is tangent to the rod which apparently has a circular cross-section. That does make a 90° angle with the radius.
 
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Here is another part of the problem. Now you press your finger against the outer rim of the yo-yo(which has a radius of 4.0 cm) to bring it to a stop. You apply a constant force of 2.0N directed perpendicular to the rim of the yo-yo. The tension from part a) is no longer being applied to the yo-yo. The coefficient of kinetic friction between your finger and the edge of the yo-yo is 0.80. How long does it take for the yo-yo to come to a stop?

Thanks
 

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