Infinite Dimensional Vector Space

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The discussion revolves around proving that a vector space V is infinite dimensional if and only if there exists a sequence of vectors that are linearly independent for every positive integer n. The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on vector spaces and their dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to prove both directions of the statement, expressing difficulty in the forward direction and considering the use of induction. They also explore the implications of finite dimensionality and the nature of linearly independent sets.
  • Some participants suggest a method of constructing an infinite sequence of linearly independent vectors by extending existing sets, questioning the assumptions made about spanning and dimensionality.
  • Others inquire about the correctness of the backward direction proof and whether it requires adjustments.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and suggestions for both directions of the proof. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's understanding and attempts, but no consensus has been reached regarding the completeness or correctness of the arguments presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of applying finite-dimensional theorems to the infinite-dimensional context and the implications of linear independence in relation to spanning sets. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to generalize their findings to all infinite dimensional vector spaces.

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Homework Statement


Prove that V is infinite dimensional if and only if there is a sequence v_1, v_2,... of vectors in V such that (v_1,...,v_n) is linearly independent for every positive integer n.


Homework Equations


A vector space is finite dimensional if some list of vectors in it spans the space.


The Attempt at a Solution


We need to prove two directions. For the forward direction, we assume V is infinitely dimensional (and therefore is not finite dimensional). It's really giving me a headache. All of the theorems in my book involve finite-dimensional vector spaces, and none of the proofs seem to give me any information pertaining to the forward direction of this problem. Do I want to use induction somehow? For example, the infinite dimensional vector space F^(infinity) has elements that can be written in the form a_1e_1+a_2e_2+...+a_ne_n+... with the a_i's scalars in the field and the e_i's the vector with all zeroes in every spot except for a 1 in the ith place. That is a linearly independent list, that works for all n, but i don't know how to explain it for every infinite dimensional vector space.

For the backward direction, first I wanted to assume V is finite dimensional and use contradiction. Then V has a basis that is linearly independent spans V, and has a dimension, let's say m=n-1. Then consider the linearly independent list (v_1,...,v_n). It has dimension n, but every linearly independent list of vectors in a finite-dimensional vector space can be extended to a basis of the vector space, so since dim(V) < dim(v_1,...,v_n) we have a contradiction and V must be infinite dimensional.

I think the backward direction is almost complete, but I'm having trouble with the forward. Any hints, please?
 
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V is infinite dimensional. Pick a vector v1 in V. If v1 spanned V, V would be finite dimensional. It's not. So there's another independent vector v2. If {v1,v2} spanned then V would be finite dimensional. It's not. So there's an independent v3. If {v1,v2,v3} spanned then etc. It's sort of induction. The point is that any set of linearly independent vectors can always be extended.
 
Dick said:
V is infinite dimensional. Pick a vector v1 in V. If v1 spanned V, V would be finite dimensional. It's not. So there's another independent vector v2. If {v1,v2} spanned then V would be finite dimensional. It's not. So there's an independent v3. If {v1,v2,v3} spanned then etc. It's sort of induction. The point is that any set of linearly independent vectors can always be extended.

Thank you very much, I get it.

How about the backward direction? Is it correct? Does it need tweaking? Or is it completely wrong?
 
Yeah, I think it's basically ok. The point is that if V has dimension n, then it can't have n+1 linearly independent vectors in it.
 

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