Infinite light polarizers in an array

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of placing an infinite number of light polarizers in an array, each rotated by an infinitesimal amount, and whether this configuration could allow 100% transmission of photons through the array. The conversation touches on concepts of light polarization, intensity, and mathematical modeling related to these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that an infinite array of polarizers, each rotated slightly, could theoretically allow all photons to pass through.
  • Another participant questions whether the intensity of the light beam affects the outcome and discusses what occurs when a polarizer fails to polarize the light.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that the probability of photon absorption is always non-zero, suggesting that not all photons can be transmitted, regardless of the configuration.
  • One participant introduces Malus's law to analyze the situation mathematically, indicating that it can be used to calculate the probability of transmission at each step.
  • Another participant challenges the previous claims by suggesting that using amplitudes instead of intensities could lead to the conclusion that an infinite number of polarizers could achieve no loss in amplitude, thus maintaining intensity.
  • Further discussion highlights that while mathematical models may suggest certain outcomes, practical considerations imply that each polarizer would absorb some energy, leading to a conclusion that approaches zero transmission in a real-world scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether 100% transmission is achievable with an infinite array of polarizers. Some argue for the possibility based on mathematical reasoning, while others maintain that absorption probabilities prevent this outcome. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Limitations include assumptions about the behavior of photons and polarizers, the dependence on mathematical models, and the practical implications of energy absorption by polarizers. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I was wondering if I placed an infinite number of light polarizers in an array, each rotating an infinitesimal amount from the next, would I be able to get 100% of the photons shun thru them on the other side?
 
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Yes thanks.
 
Hi,
Does the intensity of the beam of light matter? What is happening when the polarizer fails to polarize the beam of light?
 
sqljunkey said:
Hi,
Does the intensity of the beam of light matter? What is happening when the polarizer fails to polarize the beam of light?
The intensity doesn't matter.
In the video, the first polarizer polarizes the beam.
 
sqljunkey said:
I was wondering if I placed an infinite number of light polarizers in an array, each rotating an infinitesimal amount from the next, would I be able to get 100% of the photons shun thru them on the other side?
No. At every step, the photon Is either transmitted with the new polarization or absorbed - and the probability of absorption is always non-zero.

You can use Malus's law to calculate the exact probability at each step, and if you know how to evaluate limits you can work out what gets through an infinite number of arbitrarily small steps.
 
Nugatory said:
No. At every step, the photon Is either transmitted with the new polarization or absorbed - and the probability of absorption is always non-zero.

I don't think this is right.

Let me work in amplitudes, not intensities. I will show that with an infinite number of polarizers I can flip a polarization from horizontal to vertical with no loss in amplitude. If that is true, I can make an arbitrary rotation with an infinite number of polarizers with no loss in intensity.

Start with n polarizers:

A = A \cos^n (\frac{\pi}{2n})

Take the small angle approximation:
A^\prime \approx A (1 - \frac{\pi^2}{4n^2})^n

Use the approximation (1+\epsilon)^n \approx 1 + n\epsilon

A^\prime \approx A (1 - \frac{\pi^2}{4n})

Which gives, in the large n limit A^\prime = A. If the amplitude is unchanged, so is the intensity.
 
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Nugatory said:
No. At every step, the photon Is either transmitted with the new polarization or absorbed - and the probability of absorption is always non-zero.

You can use Malus's law to calculate the exact probability at each step, and if you know how to evaluate limits you can work out what gets through an infinite number of arbitrarily small steps.
Malus' Law gives you the amplitude, which is proportional to the root of the photon flux. There is no point in going into photons from Malus' Law.
As @Vanadium 50 says, if you take the limit, you get the directly opposite answer. Maths can be weird. However, I guess the answer to a practical situation would be that each polariser would absorb some co-polar Energy so the answer would actually approach zero.
 

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