Infinitesimals - finding the E field

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The discussion centers around the calculation of the electric field (E field) at a distance z above the center of a square sheet of charge with side length a and charge density σ. Participants explore the conversion of one-dimensional charge density to two-dimensional surface charge density and the implications of using different infinitesimal widths in the integration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the integration process used to derive the E field from a square loop, specifically the change from λ to σ da/2.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on how to convert one-dimensional charge density λ into two-dimensional surface charge density σ, proposing that λa = σa da/2 leads to λ = σ da/2.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the arbitrary nature of using da/2 and suggest that assigning widths of da to the left and right sides could lead to a different result, potentially doubling the answer.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of changing the variable of integration and how it affects the calculations, with one participant noting that it would require dividing by 2, returning to the original formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using different infinitesimal widths in the integration process, and there is no consensus on the best approach to take in the conversion of charge densities.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential arbitrariness of the chosen infinitesimal widths and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the integration process.

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The problem is to find the E field a distance z above the centre of a square sheet of charge of side length a and charge density \sigma.

The solutions use the result for a square loop and integrate to get the result for the square sheet, however it's the change \lambda \to \sigma \frac{da}{2}

In the diagram on the right, since we have a+da, widths of \frac{da}{2} make sense. But what if we instead chose to do a+2da, so that we would have widths of da? That would increase the integrand by a factor of 2.

Also, I still can't get my head around how the 1-dimensional charge density \lambda could be converted into a 2-dimensional surface charge density \sigma. Could someone please explain the reasoning behind it?


Thanks
 

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Identity said:
Also, I still can't get my head around how the 1-dimensional charge density \lambda could be converted into a 2-dimensional surface charge density \sigma. Could someone please explain the reasoning behind it?
You can view the charge of a strip in terms of a line charge (λ*length) or a surface charge (σ*area). Either way, the charge is the same:

λa = σa da/2 → λ = σ da/2

(ignoring higher powers of infinitesimals)
 
Oh thanks, so multiplying "σa" by the infinitesimal "da/2" makes it look like approximately like a line distribution, i get that

But the da/2 still seems too arbitrary... operations on infinitesimals is tricky

What if we started out by assigning the widths "da" to the left and right sides. Then the bottom would simply be "a+2da", wouldn't it?
I mean, it changes the whole answer by a factor of 2, but it still seems pretty reasonable to me.
 
Identity said:
What if we started out by assigning the widths "da" to the left and right sides. Then the bottom would simply be "a+2da", wouldn't it?
I mean, it changes the whole answer by a factor of 2, but it still seems pretty reasonable to me.
But that would mean that your variable of integration is no longer the length of the side, but twice the length of the side. You'd have to divide by 2, which brings you back to where you started.
 

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