Infrared Cameras -- Do they use a Lens to Focus?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether infrared (IR) cameras can focus IR radiation similarly to how visible light cameras focus visible light. Participants explore the properties of IR, the materials used for lenses, and the challenges associated with focusing IR light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether IR can be focused, noting that IR does not pass through glass well and asking about the role of germanium lenses.
  • Others assert that IR can be focused like other light, but emphasize that lenses for IR imaging must be made from materials that transmit IR light, as most materials used for visible light block far IR.
  • It is mentioned that the refractive index and focal length of a lens depend on wavelength, which means the focal point for IR differs from that for visible light.
  • Some participants reference historical practices in film cameras that had settings for IR film, suggesting that focusing IR is feasible under certain conditions.
  • One participant suggests that using a paraboloid reflector can provide good focusing action over a wide bandwidth, avoiding issues like chromatic aberration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the focusing of IR light, with some agreeing that it can be focused while others remain uncertain about the properties of IR compared to visible light. The discussion includes multiple competing views on the materials and methods suitable for focusing IR.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of specific materials for IR lenses and the dependence of lens properties on wavelength, but do not resolve the implications of these factors for practical applications.

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Do IR cameras need a lens?
Can infrared cameras focus IR radiation as a visible light camera focuses visible light? I think IR doesn't pass through glass well? What are these germanium lens about? I don't think my Flir IR camera has a lens.
 
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@LightningInAJar, your question brought back a FLIR project and the fun of minimum resolution for crack detection, but Teledyne FLIR has this 'selecting a lens' primer that notes the physical configuration for the IR aspect which may help with your enquiry.
 
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I don't understand all that stuff. Can IR be focused? Or are its properties too different?
 
LightningInAJar said:
I don't understand all that stuff.
All what stuff? Can you please make it a habit to quote the post that you are commenting on? And indicate that you have actually read any links suggested to you by saying what you do and do not understand in each? Lordy.
 
IR can be focussed, just like other light, but a lens for IR imaging must transmit IR light. Most materials used for visible light block the far IR. That is why the lens for IR must be made from specially selected materials.

Since the refractive index, and so the focal length of a lens, is a function of wavelength, the focal point for IR will be in a slightly different place to that for visible light.
 
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LightningInAJar said:
I don't understand all that stuff. Can IR be focused? Or are its properties too different?
Ir is light. What's the problem?

My Seek Thermal camera has a lens and manual focus.
 
LightningInAJar said:
I don't understand all that stuff. Can IR be focused? Or are its properties too different?
It all depends on which wavelength of IR you are interested in. In the 'old days' of film cameras, many of them had an alternative focus / distance setting so that you could use IR film 'blind'. So, in principle, it's fine - especially when you realize that many solid state sensors are so sensitive to IR that they have an IR filter stuck on the front of them. A bit more loss in the lens shouldn't affect results too much.
Saying you "don't understand all that stuff" is a shame. Most PF members use the forum to increase their understanding. If you want to do a successful technical project then. you may need to take on a significant amount of new stuff. It's quite rare to 'just get things to work' without some knowledge and you don't need to know the whole lot.
 
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Baluncore said:
IR can be focussed, just like other light, but a lens for IR imaging must transmit IR light. Most materials used for visible light block the far IR. That is why the lens for IR must be made from specially selected materials.

Since the refractive index, and so the focal length of a lens, is a function of wavelength, the focal point for IR will be in a slightly different place to that for visible light.
Thank you. This is what I wanted to understand. Wasn't sure if IR had different properties from visible light or if any material could focus as optical glass can, but outside the visible spectrum.
 
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LightningInAJar said:
if any material could focus as optical glass can, but outside the visible spectrum.
If you want a good focussing action over a wide bandwidth then you could do worse than using a paraboloid reflector with a metallic surface. The biggest optical and IR telescopes all use this method and so do radio telescopes, of course. Despite passing through most materials, X Rays can also be focussed with a metallic reflector - the only difference is that reflection only works at very oblique angles. An X Ray scope works this way (a highly 'offset' reflector)

A massive advantage of a reflector is that the geometry works exactly the same way for all wavelengths - no chromatic aberration to bother about.
 
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