Initial velocity required for object to have x ke at y height

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The discussion revolves around determining the initial velocity required for an object to achieve a specific kinetic energy at a certain height, considering factors such as fluid dynamics and gravitational effects. The problem involves various parameters including drag coefficient, fluid density, and cross-sectional area, while also addressing the role of kinetic energy in the context of motion through a fluid.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of a differential equation to isolate time while removing velocity, with attempts to derive relevant kinematic equations. Some express difficulty in the derivation process and question how to handle variables that depend on themselves.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and challenges in deriving equations. There is an acknowledgment of the need for effort in problem-solving, and some participants are exploring different aspects of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note missing variables such as time and initial velocity, and there is a mention of imposed homework rules that require showing effort before receiving help.

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... factoring in fluid dynamics, not just Newtonian physics...

At a given height, the object will possesses 75% of the kinetic energy of when it initially began moving.
Mass is irrelevant.

Given variables:

-Drag coefficient
-Fluid density
-Cross-sectioned area
-Displacement
-Initial and final kinetic energy (sort of; there's not exact value, but I'm just using 1 for initial and 0.75 for final)
-Acceleration/deceleration due to gravity
-etc

Missing variables:

Time and initial velocity.

Relevant equations would be the kinetic energy equation, drag equation, and deceleration from force, as well as some basic kinematics ones.

I'm trying to create a differential equation where time is isolated on one side while velocity is removed, but I'm having trouble.

If anyone could post the differential equation, with proper steps for derivation, I'd appreciate it :smile:
 
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Would you like fries with that?

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SteamKing said:
Would you like fries with that?

I'm sorry, PF rules require you to show some effort in order to receive help. We don't take requests to provide solutions.

Yes, fries would be good.

Anyways, I've tried deriving it myself, but *cough* I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I got stuck deriving the kinematics part >.>

2Vi*t+\sqrt{3}*Vi*t-\sqrt{3}*a*t^2-d=0
 
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Tried to calculate what's required to reach that height first, but I don't know how to work with when a variable depends on itself.

V=V_i-((\rho*C_d*A*V^2)/2M - G)T

D=\int_0 (V_i-((\rho*C_d*A*V^2)/2M - G)T)dT
 

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