Instantaneous velocity calculation from position data

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of instantaneous velocity from position and time data. Participants explore different methods for approximating instantaneous speed using discrete data points, considering concepts such as differentiation and finite differences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the most correct method to calculate instantaneous speed at a specific time using given position and time data.
  • Another participant states that it is impossible to provide a general answer to the question posed.
  • A participant inquires about the familiarity with differentiation and finite differences, suggesting these concepts are relevant to the discussion.
  • One participant acknowledges the applicability of differentiation when position is expressed as a function of time and expresses interest in finite differences, seeking suggestions for the most appropriate method for calculating instantaneous speed.
  • Another participant explains that differentiation is the rate of change of one variable with respect to another and emphasizes the broader applicability of derivatives beyond just position and velocity.
  • A later reply indicates that the appropriateness of different finite difference methods depends on the sampling points and how velocity varies with time, suggesting that multiple methods could be valid in different scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of various methods for calculating instantaneous speed, indicating that no consensus exists on a single best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence of the choice of finite difference method on specific sampling points and the variability of velocity over time, which remains unresolved.

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Hello Forum,
Given position and related time data, what is the most correct way to calculate the instantaneous speed? For example, given the data (x1, t1) , (x2, t2), (x3, t3) , (x4, t4), (x5, t5), is the instantaneous speed at time t3 given more correctly by

v(t_3) = \frac{(x_4-x_2)} {(t_4-t_2)}
v(t_3) = \frac {(x3-x2) } {(t3-t2)}
v(t_3) = \frac {(x4-x3)} {(t4-t3)}

and why?

Thanks!
 
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It is impossible to give a general answer to your question.
 
Are you familiar with differentiation and, as a follow-on, finite differences?
 
Yes, differentiation is applicable when the position is given as a function of time. I will look into finite differences. My understanding is that there are different types of finite difference. I guess I will figure out which one is most appropriate for the calculation of the instantaneous speed. Any suggestion in the meantime?

Thanks
 
Differentiation is simply the rate of change of one variable with respect to another. It doesn't have to be position or velocity and it doesn't have to be with respect to time. In this case, you are interested in time rate of change, but derivatives are much more broadly applicable than that.

Anyway, you seem to have some sense of the relationship between derivatives and the quantity you want here. Assuming you understand that, then your next question should be about approximating derivatives when you have data at a discrete set of points in time. That is where finite differences come into play.
 
fog37 said:
I guess I will figure out which one is most appropriate for the calculation of the instantaneous speed.
My point is that you cannot say that one will be more appropriate than another. It depends on your sampling points as well as on how the velocity varies with time. I can come up with different situations where any of the given differences would be the best approximation.
 
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