Integer Solutions: $(x^2-y^2)^2=1+16y$

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The discussion revolves around finding all integer solutions to the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2=1+16y$. Participants explore various approaches to solve the equation, including algebraic manipulations and case analyses, while also addressing potential solutions and corrections to earlier claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the solutions include $(x,y) = (\pm4,3)$ and $(\pm4,5)$, while also considering the possibility of other solutions.
  • One participant suggests that since the left side of the equation is positive, $y$ must be positive, leading to the substitution $x-y = k$ and transforming the equation into $k^2(2y-k)^2 = 16y+1$.
  • In Case 1, it is argued that if $k>0$, then the minimum value of $k(2y-k)$ is $2y-1$, leading to the conclusion that $y \leq 5$.
  • In Case 2, for $k<0$, a participant introduces $r=-k$ and derives that $y \leq 4$ based on the inequality $4y^2 < 16y+1$.
  • Another participant points out that they initially overlooked the solutions $(x,y) = (\pm1,0)$, leading to a total of six solutions: $(\pm1,0), (\pm4,3), (\pm4,5)$.
  • There is acknowledgment of errors and corrections among participants, with some expressing gratitude for the contributions of others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the completeness of the solutions, as there are differing views on whether additional solutions exist beyond those identified. The discussion includes both agreement on certain solutions and ongoing debate regarding the completeness of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their reasoning depends on assumptions about the positivity of $y$ and the conditions under which the transformations were made. There are also indications of unresolved mathematical steps in the exploration of the solutions.

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Find all integer solutions of the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2=1+16y$
 
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anemone said:
Find all integer solutions of the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2=1+16y$

Hello.

Missing me "thank you" button, anemone :o

1º) 3|y

Demonstration:

1.1) If \ 3|x,y \rightarrow{}3|(16y+1) \cancel{=}3k \ / \forall{} k \in{\mathbb{Z}}. Absurdity.

1.2) If \ 3|x \ or \ 3|y \ or \ 3 \cancel{| } \ x,y \rightarrow{} (x^2-y^2)^2 \equiv{1 } mod(3)

Therefore:

[(x^2-y^2)^2-1] \equiv{0 } mod(3)

2º) y^2&lt;(16y+1)

If \ y^2 \ge{} (16y+1) \rightarrow{}(x^2-y^2)^2=(x-y)^2(x+y)^2 &gt; 16y+1

y^2&lt;16y+1 \rightarrow{} y^2-16y-1&lt;0

y&lt; \dfrac{16 \pm \sqrt{256+4}}{2} &lt; 17

3º) The values of "and" generate "perfect" squares in 16y+1 , they are the result of the following succession:

3.1) 3(12n^2-17n+3) \rightarrow{}y=3,60,189,...

3.2) 3(12n^2-7n+3) \rightarrow{}y=18,105,264,...

3.3) 3(12n^2+10n-11) \rightarrow{}y=33,138,315,...

3.4) 3(12n^2+n) \rightarrow{}y=39,150,333,...

Conclusion:

Only the result OK us: y=3

Let's see if it fulfils the conditions:

(x^2-y^2)^2=16y+1

(x^2-9)^2=49

x^2-9=7

x^2=16 \rightarrow{}x=4 \ or \ x=-4

(Whew)Regards.
 
[sp]I found solutions $(x,y) = (\pm4,3),\ (\pm4,5)$. I will look at mente oscura's solution to see if it can be adapted to show that these are the only solutions.[/sp]
Further thoughts:
[sp]The left side of the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2 = 16y+1$ is positive, so $y$ must be positive. Let $x-y = k$. Then the equation becomes $k^2(2y-k)^2 = 16y+1.$

Case 1: $k>0$. If two positive integers have a given sum (which in this case will be $2y$) then their product is minimised by taking one of them equal to $1$ and the other to be $2y-1$. So the minimum value of $k(2y-k)$ is $2y-1$, and therefore $k^2(2y-k)^2 \geqslant (2y-1)^2$. Thus $ (2y-1)^2 \leqslant 16y+1$. That simplifies to $y^2 \leqslant 5y$, so that $y \leqslant 5$.

Case 2: $k<0$. In this case, let $r=-k$, so that the equation becomes $r^2(2y+r)^2 = 16y+1$. This time, $r$ is a positive integer, so that $r(2y+r) > 2y$ and hence $r^2(2y+r)^2 > 4y^2$. Thus $4y^2 < 16y+1$ from which it follows that $y\leqslant4.$

This shows that there are no solutions with $y>5$.

BUT ...

in a PM, anemone pointed out that I overlooked the solutions $(x,y) = (\pm1,0)$. So altogether there are six solutions $(\pm1,0), (\pm4,3), (\pm4,5)$.[/sp]
 
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mente oscura said:
Hello.

Missing me "thank you" button, anemone :o

1º) 3|y

Demonstration:

1.1) If \ 3|x,y \rightarrow{}3|(16y+1) \cancel{=}3k \ / \forall{} k \in{\mathbb{Z}}. Absurdity.

1.2) If \ 3|x \ or \ 3|y \ or \3 \cancel{| } \ x,y\rightarrow{} (x^2-y^2)^2 \equiv{1 } mod(3)

Hello.

Opalg, actually, I have an error.(Headbang)

3 \cancel{| } \ x,y \rightarrow{} (x^2-y^2)^2 \equiv{0 } mod(3)[/tex]

It also fulfils the conditions:

x= \pm 4 \ and \ y=5

Regards.

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Opalg said:
[sp]I found solutions $(x,y) = (\pm4,3),\ (\pm4,5)$. I will look at mente oscura's solution to see if it can be adapted to show that these are the only solutions.[/sp]
Further thoughts:
[sp]The left side of the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2 = 16y+1$ is positive, so $y$ must be positive. Let $x-y = k$. Then the equation becomes $k^2(2y-k)^2 = 16y+1.$

Case 1: $k>0$. If two positive integers have a given sum (which in this case will be $2y$) then their product is minimised by taking one of them equal to $1$ and the other to be $2y-1$. So the minimum value of $k(2y-k)$ is $2y-1$, and therefore $k^2(2y-k)^2 \geqslant (2y-1)^2$. Thus $ (2y-1)^2 \leqslant 16y+1$. That simplifies to $y^2 \leqslant 5y$, so that $y \leqslant 5$.

Case 2: $k<0$. In this case, let $r=-k$, so that the equation becomes $r^2(2y+r)^2 = 16y+1$. This time, $r$ is a positive integer, so that $r(2y+r) > 2y$ and hence $r^2(2y+r)^2 > 4y^2$. Thus $4y^2 < 16y+1$ from which it follows that $y\leqslant4.$

This shows that there are no solutions with $y>5$.

BUT ...

in a PM, anemone pointed out that I overlooked the solutions $(x,y) = (\pm1,0)$. So altogether there are six solutions $(\pm1,0), (\pm4,3), (\pm4,5)$.[/sp]

Correct.:o
 
Opalg said:
[sp]I found solutions $(x,y) = (\pm4,3),\ (\pm4,5)$. I will look at mente oscura's solution to see if it can be adapted to show that these are the only solutions.[/sp]
Further thoughts:
[sp]The left side of the equation $(x^2-y^2)^2 = 16y+1$ is positive, so $y$ must be positive. Let $x-y = k$. Then the equation becomes $k^2(2y-k)^2 = 16y+1.$

Case 1: $k>0$. If two positive integers have a given sum (which in this case will be $2y$) then their product is minimised by taking one of them equal to $1$ and the other to be $2y-1$. So the minimum value of $k(2y-k)$ is $2y-1$, and therefore $k^2(2y-k)^2 \geqslant (2y-1)^2$. Thus $ (2y-1)^2 \leqslant 16y+1$. That simplifies to $y^2 \leqslant 5y$, so that $y \leqslant 5$.

Case 2: $k<0$. In this case, let $r=-k$, so that the equation becomes $r^2(2y+r)^2 = 16y+1$. This time, $r$ is a positive integer, so that $r(2y+r) > 2y$ and hence $r^2(2y+r)^2 > 4y^2$. Thus $4y^2 < 16y+1$ from which it follows that $y\leqslant4.$

This shows that there are no solutions with $y>5$.

BUT ...

in a PM, anemone pointed out that I overlooked the solutions $(x,y) = (\pm1,0)$. So altogether there are six solutions $(\pm1,0), (\pm4,3), (\pm4,5)$.[/sp]

Thank you Opalg for your elegant,neat and easy-to-follow solution! Well done!:)

mente oscura said:
Hello.

Opalg, actually, I have an error.(Headbang)

3 \cancel{| } \ x,y \rightarrow{} (x^2-y^2)^2 \equiv{0 } mod(3)[/tex]

It also fulfils the conditions:

x= \pm 4 \ and \ y=5

Regards.

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Correct.:o

Don't worry about it, mente oscura! We live and learn!:o
 

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