Integral for the linear speed of the Earth

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The discussion revolves around calculating the linear speed of the Earth using integrals, with a focus on the Earth's radius and angular speed. Participants explore the relationship between rotation and linear velocity, as well as the implications of density assumptions in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to set up an integral to find linear speed based on angular speed and radius. Some participants question the relevance of the Earth's rotation to its overall linear velocity and the assumptions made regarding density and mass.

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Participants are actively discussing the need for the moment of inertia in relation to kinetic energy calculations. There is a recognition of the limitations of assuming constant density and the precision of mass values. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of calculus to find the moment of inertia.

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There are constraints regarding the assumptions of density and the precision of mass values, which are being questioned in the context of the calculations being performed.

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I need to make an integral to fine the speed of the earth. Say the radius is 6378137 meters. How would I account for things closer to the axis that have a radius of 0.0001 meters? I don't think I can just take the speed at the radius. So I found that the Earth rotates at 6.963448857E-4 revs/min then I convert that to radians to get 0.000072921065826007 radians/second, the angular speed. To get linear velocity I multiply ω by the radius, but I need to integrate from 0 to r? So would it be ∫ 0.000072921065826007*r dr a=0, b =6378137? I get 1.483237507 × 10^9. Does this seem right?
 
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The linear speed of Earth relative to what? Note that the rotation has absolutely nothing to do with the linear velocity of the Earth as a whole. The overall momentum of the Earth is zero in the Earth's centre of momentum frame by definition.
 
Orodruin said:
The linear speed of Earth relative to what? Note that the rotation has absolutely nothing to do with the linear velocity of the Earth as a whole. The overall momentum of the Earth is zero in the Earth's centre of momentum frame by definition.
I have to find the kinetic energy. And have that the mass is 5.9928982144×10^24kg from using the shell method and assuming that the Earth has a constant density of 5514 kg/m^3. So I need to linear speed, to put into the equation KE=1/2mv^2
 
What you need is the moment of inertia of the Earth. Note that assuming constant density is a pretty bad approximation (in particular as the core is denser - which significantly lowers the moment of inertia) and that the entire shell at radius ##r## is not moving with the same linear velocity.

matai said:
5.9928982144×10^24kg
This is way too many significant digits. The current precision in the value for the mass of the Earth is on the level of 0.01%.
 
Orodruin said:
What you need is the moment of inertia of the Earth. Note that assuming constant density is a pretty bad approximation (in particular as the core is denser - which significantly lowers the moment of inertia) and that the entire shell at radius ##r## is not moving with the same linear velocity.This is way too many significant digits. The current precision in the value for the mass of the Earth is on the level of 0.01%.
yeah I use inertia, but my calc teacher said she wants it in more of math terms so she didn't accept it when i did it with inertia
 
Well, why don't you show how to find the moment of inertia then? You should use calculus for that.
 

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