Calculating Work, Energy, and Power: Integrating Force and Velocity

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The discussion centers on the calculation of work, energy, and power when integrating force and velocity in the context of lifting a rope. The original poster attempted to derive power by integrating force but faced discrepancies with the textbook's approach, which involved calculating work done and dividing by time. Key points include the importance of considering the work needed to accelerate each element of the rope to speed v and the implications of energy conservation versus momentum conservation in this scenario. Participants debated the validity of different methods and assumptions, particularly regarding energy dissipation and oscillations in the rope's motion. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the textbook's method as the correct approach for this problem.
  • #31
Delta2 said:
Ok I see and then we arrive at the answer you post at #2, which differs by a factor 1/2 on the first term from the book answer. Well, it beats me, according to your opinion why it differs? OK I know that conservation of energy does not hold always but why using the momentum approach we still don't get the right answer cause as you say the right answer will be something in between?
Maybe the flaw in the momentum calculation is P=Fv. The element being accelerated from rest only averages v/2 in that process, so it should be P=Fv/2.
 
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  • #32
I think I like it. And if there are discrete lengths (like a chain link) there will be some fluctuations but the average work will be as you say. And if we allow other degrees of freedom to bleed off the speed during this process we end up with drag forces which I am certain will be difficult to characterize and more difficult to quantify.
 

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