Integral Help: Solving a Complex Problem

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the indefinite integral of a rational function, specifically ∫(x^3-5x)/(x^3-2x^2+4x-8) dx. Participants are exploring methods for integration, including polynomial long division and partial fraction decomposition.

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  • Participants discuss the process of long division for the integral, leading to a new expression that requires partial fraction decomposition. There is a focus on determining the coefficients A, B, and C in the decomposition and verifying their values through substitution and system of equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the values of A, B, and C, indicating that the original poster's initial assumption of C=0 was incorrect. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and validate the results of the decomposition process.

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Participants note that the discussion may be influenced by the timing of their work, with one member mentioning that late-night study may have contributed to errors in their calculations. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of each step in the process.

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Integral help!

Homework Statement


Evaluate the following inde nite integral,
∫\frac{x^3-5x}{x^3-2x^2+4x-8} dx


Homework Equations


I think I am right until i get to equating the equations when I do it the method I am taught in class I get c=0 and I don't think that is right. However when i put it into a system of equations with the coefficients i get fractions.

I would like to know what to do next. Thanks



The Attempt at a Solution



First the degree of numerator is same as the denomenator. So i do long division and end up with

∫1+ \frac{2x^2-9x+8}{x^3-2x^2+4x-8}

Now decompose the fraction part into:

\frac{2x^2-9x+8}{(x^2+4)(x-2)} =\frac{Ax+B}{(x^2+4)}+\frac{C}{(x-2)}

Then get a common denomenator for RHS
= \frac{(Ax+B)(x-2)+C(x^2+4)}{(x^2+4)(x-2)}

From here i tried if x=2 to cancel out the (Ax+B) term which results in C=0
this is where i believe an error has occurred.

My other thinking was can I expand then factor out the x^2 and x and constant leaving the A and B and C in whatever they factor into and then do a system of equations.
My result this way is
A= 9/4, B =-9/2, C=-1/4

Kind regards
 
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tylersmith7690 said:
From here i tried if x=2 to cancel out the (Ax+B) term which results in C=0
this is where i believe an error has occurred.

My other thinking was can I expand then factor out the x^2 and x and constant leaving the A and B and C in whatever they factor into and then do a system of equations.
My result this way is
A= 9/4, B =-9/2, C=-1/4

Those values of A,B and C are correct. However, in your initial attempt, you should not get C=0.
 
tylersmith7690 said:

Homework Statement


Evaluate the following inde nite integral,
∫\frac{x^3-5x}{x^3-2x^2+4x-8} dx


Homework Equations


I think I am right until i get to equating the equations when I do it the method I am taught in class I get c=0 and I don't think that is right. However when i put it into a system of equations with the coefficients i get fractions.

I would like to know what to do next. Thanks



The Attempt at a Solution



First the degree of numerator is same as the denomenator. So i do long division and end up with

∫1+ \frac{2x^2-9x+8}{x^3-2x^2+4x-8}

Now decompose the fraction part into:

\frac{2x^2-9x+8}{(x^2+4)(x-2)} =\frac{Ax+B}{(x^2+4)}+\frac{C}{(x-2)}

Then get a common denomenator for RHS
= \frac{(Ax+B)(x-2)+C(x^2+4)}{(x^2+4)(x-2)}
So the two numerators are equal: 2x^2- 9x+ 8= (Ax+B)(x- 2)+ C(x^2+ 4)

From here i tried if x=2 to cancel out the (Ax+B) term which results in C=0
this is where i believe an error has occurred.
Taking x= 2 gives 8- 18+ 8= 8C which gives C= -1/4, as you have below, not 0. Did you forget the left side of the equation?

My other thinking was can I expand then factor out the x^2 and x and constant leaving the A and B and C in whatever they factor into and then do a system of equations.
My result this way is
A= 9/4, B =-9/2, C=-1/4

Kind regards
If, in 2x^2- 9x+ 8= (Ax+B)(x- 2)+ C(x^2+ 4), you take x= 0 (just because it is an easy number) you get 8= (0+ B)(-2)+ C(4) or -2B= -8- (-1/4)(4)= -9 so that C= -9/2, again as you say. Finally, taking x= 1 (again just because it is an easy number) gives 2- 9+ 8= (A+ B)(-1)+ C(5) or 1= -A+ 9/2- 5/4 so that A= 9/2- 1- 5/4= 18/4- 4/4- 5/4= 9/4, again, exactly what you have.

Great! Now all you need to do is the integral:
\int dx+ \dfrac{9}{4}\int \dfrac{xdx}{x^2+ 4}- \dfrac{9}{2}\int \dfrac{dx}{x^2+ 4}- \dfrac{1}{4}\int \dfrac{dx}{x- 2}
 
Thanks for the reply, looking again at how i got C=0 was most likely due to it being very late at night :).
But yes I find it easier solving for A,B,C in the system of equations. I see now that my thinking was on the right track and it was just the small error that through me off. Thanks for the help.
 
Is my final answer correct?

x + \frac{9}{8} log | x2+4 | - \frac{9}{4} arctan(\frac{x}{2}) - \frac{1}{4} log | x-2 | + C
 

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