Limit of x times integral of sin(t)/t from 3 to x

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the expression \(\lim_{x \rightarrow 3} \left(\frac{x}{x-3} \int_3^x \frac{\sin(t)}{t}dt\right)\). Participants explore various approaches to evaluate this limit, including the use of derivatives and theorems related to integrals.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the limit is \(\sin(3)\) and requests a demonstration of the work involved.
  • Another participant questions the intent behind the original post, suggesting it resembles a request for homework help.
  • Some participants suggest using the theorem of Leibniz and Newton to approach the problem.
  • A participant introduces L'Hospital's rule as a potential method for evaluating the limit and raises the possibility of considering limits as \(x\) approaches infinity.
  • One participant clarifies that their inquiry is not for homework but rather for personal understanding and enjoyment, expressing confusion over the connection to the provided hint.
  • A later reply explains that the limit resembles the definition of a derivative and encourages identifying an appropriate function \(F(x)\) to facilitate evaluation of the limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the original inquiry, with some perceiving it as a homework question while others see it as a genuine exploration. There is no consensus on the best approach to solve the limit, and multiple methods are proposed without agreement on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various mathematical techniques and theorems, but the discussion remains open-ended regarding the application of these methods to the limit in question. Some assumptions about the continuity and differentiability of functions involved are implied but not explicitly stated.

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Integral in a limit??

Can anyone try to find the limit of this :

\lim_{x \rightarrow 3} (\frac{x}{x-3} \int_3^x (\frac{\sin(t)}{t}dt))

I know the answer is sin3. Can you show me the work involved (yes, i know the work also)

Hint: F'(3) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 3} \frac{F(x) - F(3)}{x-3}
*edited* F'(3)
 
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So, since you know everything, what's your problem?
And, don't double post!
 
HINT:Use the theorem of Leibniz & Newton.

Daniel.
 
I echo arildno -- what was the point of this post? Why should we bother telling you thinkgs you already know? It sounds an awfully lot like you're trying to get someone to do a homework problem for you.
 
dextercioby said:
HINT:Use the theorem of Leibniz & Newton.

Daniel.
Which one?
 
What about L'Hospital's rule? And how about:

\lim_{x \to \infty} (\frac{x}{x-3} \int_3^x (\frac{\sin(t)}{t}dt))

Negative infinity too. It looks like it approaches limits numerically but I don't know how to prove it. Suppose we could just drop the fractional term as that goes to one. Jesus, suppose I should just ask what is:

\int_a^{\infty} \frac{Sin(x)}{x}dx

Am I getting off the subject?
 
Hurkyl said:
I echo arildno -- what was the point of this post? Why should we bother telling you thinkgs you already know? It sounds an awfully lot like you're trying to get someone to do a homework problem for you.

I'm sorry that I wasn't clear on my first post. Let me take this opportunity to correct myself.

I was solving problems and this one came up. I looked at the solution (because it has the solution also) but I didn't understand how to do it because I didn't learn from the book. I just needed help on the different approaches for this solution.

The hint that I added was the one in the book

Also, it is NOT a homework problem, but a problem for me to do just for fun( i guess)
The answer made no sense to me because it used that limit i put as a hint in the first post. I'm not sure if i see the connection
 
The idea of the hint is to notice that the limit you're interested in is actually a limit like the kind in the definition of the derivative. Once you've identified what choice of F(x) will put it into this form, if you can differentiate F(x) in another way you'll be able to find this limit by simply evaluating this derivative at x=3.

In this case you already have the x-3 in the denominator, so you'll have to have

F(x)-F(3)=x\int_{3}^{x}\frac{\sin{t}}{t}dt

What choice of F(x) will work?
 

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