Integral of Sqrt of (49-4x^2) and Differentiating Answer

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function \(\sqrt{49-4x^2}\) and the subsequent differentiation of the result to verify the original integrand. Participants are exploring integration techniques and addressing potential errors in the original poster's approach.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts integration using a trigonometric substitution and expresses concern about differentiating their result to return to the original function. Some participants question the choice of substitution and the handling of square roots. Others suggest integration by parts as an alternative method and discuss the implications of separating the integrand into fractions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different methods and questioning the original poster's steps. There is a mix of suggestions for alternative approaches, including integration by parts and trigonometric substitutions. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants note potential errors in the original integration and differentiation steps, as well as the importance of considering the positive root in square root expressions. There is also mention of the expected answer from a textbook, which adds context to the original poster's concerns.

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Homework Statement


\int\sqrt{49-4x^2}
I have done the integration to the best of my ability. My teacher requires that I differentiate the answer to get back to the original integrand. Can someone please check my work and help me along with the differentiation?

Homework Equations


U substitutions, and double angle formula ((sinx)^2=1/2 - (cosx)/2

The Attempt at a Solution



7\int\sqrt{1-(2x/7)^2}

cosu=2x/7
-sinu du=2/7 dx
u=arccos(2x/7)

Integral Rewritten as:

\int7\sqrt{1-cos^2}* -7(sinu)/2 du
7\sqrt{1-cos^2}= sinu therefore:

=-49/2\int(sin^2u)du
=-49/2\int(1-cos^2)/2 du
=-49x/4 + 49(sinu)/2 + C
=-49x/4 + 49(sin(arccos(2x/7))))/4 + C[/tex]

Differentiation:
-49/4 + [49(cos(arccos(2x/7))]/(4 \sqrt{1-(2x/7)^2}) * 4/49
=-49/4 + (2x)/(7\sqrt{49-4x^2})Does this make sense at all?
How can I get to the original integrand given \int\sqrt{49-4x^2}
 
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ana111790 said:
7\sqrt{1-cos^2}= sinu therefore:

Careful, the square root sign always returns the positive root

\implies \sqrt{\sin^2(u)}=\left\{\begin{array}{lr}\sin(u), & \sin(u)\geq 0 \\ -\sin(u), & \sin(u)\leq 0\end{array}

For this reason, \cos(u)=\frac{2x}{7} is a poor choice of substitution.

=-49/2\int(sin^2u)du
=-49/2\int(1-cos^2)/2 du
=-49x/4 + 49(sinu)/2 + C

Here, there is another error; \int \cos^2(u) du \neq -2\sin(u)
 
How do you suggest I solve it? I have literally spent days on this problem and I'm still lost :(
 
Try integration by parts instead.

Edit there is a little trick necesary, so show me what you get after applying integration by parts once, and I'll help you from there
 
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I have tried Integration by Parts and it seems to never end.

I separated the integrand into 2 fractions, by multiplying top and bottom by sqrt(49-4x^2) to get:
49/ sqrt(49-4x^2) - 4x^2/(49-4x^2)
The 1st fraction I can integrate easily, the second I used Integration by Parts so that:

u=x^2
thus du=2x

dv=1/(1-(2x/7))
v=7/2 * arcsin(2x/7)

I kept doing IBP up to 5 times, and could not get an answer.
According to the book the answer should be xsqrt(49-4x^2) + 49/2 arcsin(2x/7) + C
 
ana111790 said:
I have tried Integration by Parts and it seems to never end.

I separated the integrand into 2 fractions, by multiplying top and bottom by sqrt(49-4x^2) to get:
49/ sqrt(49-4x^2) - 4x^2/(49-4x^2)
The 1st fraction I can integrate easily, the second I used Integration by Parts so that:

u=x^2
thus du=2x

dv=1/(1-(2x/7))
v=7/2 * arcsin(2x/7)

Hmmm... why not just use dv=dx and u=sqrt(49-4x^2)...what do you get after applying IBP once like this?
 
ana111790 said:
u=sqrt(49-4x^2)
du = -4x/(sqrt(49-4x^2)

dv=dx
v=x

According to the rule: Integral of udv = uv-Integral of vdu

x*Sqrt(49-4x^2) + integral of [4x^2/(Sqrt(49-4x^2)]

Good :smile:... now comes the tricky business; let's call your original integral I:

I\equiv \int \sqrt{49-4x^2)dx

What happens if you add and subtract 49 to the numerator of integral of [4x^2/(Sqrt(49-4x^2)]?:wink:
 
Yes,

\int\frac{49}{\sqrt{49-4x^2}}dx=\int\frac{49}{7\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{2x}{7}\right)^2}}dx

You forgot to divide by that 7
 
Welcome:smile:
 
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hum... sqrt(sin^2(x))=abs(sin(x)). in trig substitutions, as far as i know, we almost always take the triangle to be in the first quadrant, so i don't think we should be so particular about this.

so sqrt(1-x^2)=cos(t) when x=sin(t) . here i prefer that x is vertical instead of horizontal.

cos^2(x)=(1+cos(2t))/2 and the result should follow. i think this was what the op was looking for.
 

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