Integral: Right Approach? Checked with Derivative?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating an integral, specifically involving the expression \(\int e^{-t^2}dt\). Participants are exploring the challenges associated with this integral and its properties, including its relationship to derivatives and potential substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants question the clarity of the integral setup, particularly regarding the presence of \(t^2\) in the exponent and the role of the hyperbolic sine function. There are discussions about the nature of the integral and its limits, with some expressing confusion over the limits of integration being identical.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and clarifying misunderstandings. Some have pointed out that the integral cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, while others are reflecting on the implications of the limits of integration. There is a mix of humor and seriousness as participants engage with the material.

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Participants reference an exam from MIT's OpenCourseWare, which adds a layer of context regarding the perceived difficulty and nature of the problems being discussed. The mention of a "trick question" highlights the need for careful attention to detail in problem-solving.

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anyone have time to waste? lol, I've been trying to check it with the derivative but either I'm messing up or it's wrong, but i just feel like i did it right ... I'm just having a hard time computing

also, did i take the right approach? thanks.
 
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It's not really clear what integral you are actually trying to solve. Is there really a t^2 in the exponent? Is the sinh multiplying that?
 
Dick said:
It's not really clear what integral you are actually trying to solve. Is there really a t^2 in the exponent? Is the sinh multiplying that?
sorry, the parenthesis is meant for a substitution

[tex]\int e^{-t^2}dt[/tex]
 
You can't find an indefinite integral of e^(-t^2) in terms of elementary functions. The indefinite integral is called 'erf' (modulo constants).
 
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damn.
 
I've got a separate question about this: is that upper limit really 'ln 1'? Wouldn't that make the two limits of integration identical? Is someone pulling your leg on this one? Is it a trick question?
 
dynamicsolo said:
I've got a separate question about this: is that upper limit really 'ln 1'? Wouldn't that make the two limits of integration identical? Is someone pulling your leg on this one? Is it a trick question?
it's from the MIT OCW website

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/6055BD0B-FEA6-4BBD-AB05-9E9D81615CAA/0/ocw01exam3.pdf

lol it is both 0, i didn't even notice.
 
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rocophysics said:
it's from the MIT OCW website

http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/6055BD0B-FEA6-4BBD-AB05-9E9D81615CAA/0/ocw01exam3.pdf

lol it is both 0, i didn't even notice.

Bwah-hah-hah! As a classical MIT nerd would declare, "You've been hacked!" (That does explain why that question's only worth 3 points. The lecturer was probably checking to see who was awake...)

Whoa! Good ol' 18.01 -- takes me back...

ProTip: Watch out if someone at MIT has something to do with an exam like this. They love to pull a fast one on the unwary at some point... (It's a place where parties unknown break into a "secure" area and adorn the Great Dome of the main building with something monumental almost every year.* They also measure bridge spans in smoots... What can you expect?)

*In 2003, to mark the centennial of heavier-than-air aviation, a rough reproduction of a Wright Flyer appeared atop the building overnight...
 
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Thats an MIT test? I don't believe you. Here I was thinking MIT was an elite University...what grade is test meant to be for?
 
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Gib Z said:
Thats an MIT test? I don't believe you. Here I was thinking MIT was an elite University...what grade is test meant to be for?
"18.01" is (college) freshman calculus. Every freshman at M.I.T. either "places" in a higher math course or takes 18.01 first semester freshman year (that's my memory from way back). I wouldn't want to be "elitist" but if you look carefully at that test you will see many problems that are easy if you understand the concepts rather than just apply formulas.
 
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dynamicsolo said:
Bwah-hah-hah! As a classical MIT nerd would declare, "You've been hacked!" (That does explain why that question's only worth 3 points. The lecturer was probably checking to see who was awake...)

Whoa! Good ol' 18.01 -- takes me back...

ProTip: Watch out if someone at MIT has something to do with an exam like this. They love to pull a fast one on the unwary at some point... (It's a place where parties unknown break into a "secure" area and adorn the Great Dome of the main building with something monumental almost every year.* They also measure bridge spans in smoots... What can you expect?)

*In 2003, to mark the centennial of heavier-than-air aviation, a rough reproduction of a Wright Flyer appeared atop the building overnight...
um yeah, you're definitely a nerd, lol. surprisingly that i did notice that it was "worth" 3 points. but since i didn't notice the lower/upper limits, it didn't click.
 
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Gib Z said:
Thats an MIT test? I don't believe you. Here I was thinking MIT was an elite University...what grade is test meant to be for?
math http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mathematics/index.htm#undergrad
 
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rocophysics said:
um yeah, you're definitely a nerd, lol.

Sorry, I wouldn't generally post something like that, but when I say that the "trick question" was from an MIT hour exam, it was hard to resist dropping into character.

I think that part of the point of these kinds of conceptual problems is to get students into the habit of looking for key ideas or peculiar details that may make a difficult-looking problem easy to solve -- certainly a valuable skill.
 
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ah I'm just teasin. i have a lot of respect for ppl's help. anyways, I'm glad i made that dumb mistake, i'll def. be more aware from now on. ;-]
 

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