Integral with Polar Coordinates: Teta Angle Interval

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the use of polar coordinates in integrals, specifically focusing on determining the interval of the theta angle for various domains. Participants explore the conversion from Cartesian to polar coordinates and the implications for double integrals, with examples provided to illustrate their points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to determine the theta angle interval when converting from Cartesian to polar coordinates, referencing a professor's explanation that involves moving a pen along the x-axis.
  • Another participant suggests that the angle for a point in Cartesian coordinates is measured from the x-axis to the line connecting the origin to the point.
  • A participant provides an example involving a semicircle centered at (2,0) and questions why the theta angle would be 90 degrees in polar coordinates.
  • One participant shares an integral setup with limits of integration from π/6 to 5π/6 and asks for clarification on how those limits were derived.
  • A detailed explanation is given regarding the intersection of two circles in Cartesian coordinates, leading to the calculation of theta angles using the arctangent function.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the quick responses and indicates they are seeking confirmation on their understanding of shaded areas in an attachment.
  • One participant acknowledges that they have figured out the exercise after receiving help.
  • A question is raised about a potential error in the integration steps, specifically regarding a change in the coefficient of a cosine term between two lines of work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and interpretations regarding the determination of theta angles and the integration process. There is no consensus on the specific questions raised, and participants continue to seek clarification and assistance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the professor's explanation and the derivation of limits of integration. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the integration process and the transition between different forms of equations.

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i just need to know something about the integral with polar coordinates , to know the interval of the teta angle of any domain the proffesor said that we put the pen on the x-axis and move it , i for one moment was not focusing and the doctor had to go to another class can anyone explain ? thank you
 
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Well, I have no clue what is meant here, or even what question you are asking. Perhaps he/she was saying that the angle, for a point (x,y) in Cartesian coordinates, is the angle the line through (0, 0) and (x, y) makes with the x-axis. That is, you measure the angle from the x-axis to that line.
 
i mean if you have a graph and you want to change your coordinates from cartesian to polar so that the double intergral is easier
okay here is an example a semi circle of center O(2,0) if i want to find teta in polar coordinates it will be 90 degree why
 
Any help is much appreciated

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/41642

(5pi/6)
A= 1/2 ∫ [(4 sin⁡θ )^2-(2)^2 ]dθ
(pi/6)

4 sin⁡θ=2 θ=π/6 ,5π/6
 
What, exactly, are you asking? How they got those limits of integration?

You have two circles, one with center at (0, 0) and radius 2 and so equation [itex]x^2+ y^2= 4[/itex], the other with center at (0, 2) and radius 2 and so equation [itex]x^2+ (y- 2)^2= x^2+ y^2- 4y+ 4= 4[/itex]. Since those are both equal to 4, they are equal to each other: [itex]x^2+ y^2= x^2+ y^2- 4y+ 4[/itex] which reduces to 4y= 4 and y= 1. Then we have [itex]x^2+ y^2= x^2+ 1= 4[/itex] so [itex]x^2= 3[/itex] and [itex]x= \pm\sqrt{3}[/itex].
The two points of intersection are [itex](\sqrt{3}, 1)[/itex], [itex](-\sqrt{3}, 1)[/itex].

In terms of polar coordinates, [itex]\theta= tan^{-1}(y/x)[/itex] which gives [itex]\theta= tan^{-1}(1/\sqrt{3})= \pi/6[/itex] and [itex]\theta= tan^{-1}(-1/\sqrt{3})= 5\pi/6[/itex].
 
Thanks for replying back soo fast I appreciate it i was trying to find the shade parts are in attachment I also think I have it figured out but wouldn't mind a second pair of eyes to look over it. See attachments

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Think_I_got_it.jpg


Thanks again
 
ok nice exercise now i got it
 
How did the "[itex]-8 cos(2\theta)+ 4[/itex]" on the fifth line become "[itex]-4 cos(2\theta)+ 4[/itex]" on the sixth line?

On the very next line, after integrating you have [itex]-4 sin(2\theta)+ 4\theta[/itex] which is correct because the integral of [itex]cos(2\theta)[/itex] is [itex](sin(2\theta))(1/2)[/itex] but there is no reason to divide by 2 before the integration.
 

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