Integrated Degrees - Are they worth it?

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The discussion revolves around the value and implications of integrated degree programs, particularly in the context of PhD programs. Participants explore whether graduates can claim expertise in specific fields such as chemistry, biology, or engineering, and whether they would be qualified for academic positions or professional certifications in those areas.

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  • One participant questions whether a PhD with a concentration in chemistry or biology allows one to call themselves a chemist or biologist, and whether it qualifies them for university professorships in those fields.
  • Another participant shares their experience with an integrated Master's program, noting its broad applicability but also the challenges in job acquisition due to its unusual nature.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity of qualifications for graduates of integrated programs, particularly regarding their ability to identify as professionals in specific disciplines like computer science, engineering, or mathematics.
  • Some participants express that the degree's value may depend on individual self-promotion and the ability to convey qualifications to potential employers.
  • There is a discussion about whether the content knowledge gained in integrated programs is sufficient for teaching positions in the chosen "home unit" of the program.

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Participants express differing views on the qualifications and professional identity of graduates from integrated degree programs. There is no consensus on whether such degrees adequately prepare individuals for specific roles in academia or industry.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential limitations of integrated degrees, including the ambiguity of professional identity and the necessity of self-promotion in the job market. The discussion does not resolve these issues, leaving them open for further exploration.

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I was just looking at PhD. programs and I came across this:
http://www.cseprograms.gatech.edu/

I was wondering if "integrated" degree programs like the above one are worth the time? Apparently you can pick an area of concentration, but say if you chose chemistry or biology, could you actually call yourself a chemist or a biologist after completing the Ph.D.? Seeing as the Ph.D isn't actually in Chemistry, would you be able to get a job as a university professor of Chemistry if you chose the Chemistry concentration (or whatever other concentration)?

Or say if you chose an engineering concentration would you be qualified to take the engineering license exams and for certification as an engineer?
 
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Many moons ago I got my Master's from something similar, it was an "Integrated Manufacturing Systems Engineering" mix of Mechanical, Electrical, Industrial Engineering, plus Computer Science and Business.

It suited my personality very well. The alternative (at that university) was to pursue a MSME which under that administration was nothing more than an applied mathematics degree. I hated that. The degree I earned has been quite useful in my career because it was very broad. I never wanted to be narrowly-scoped in any job.

But industry DID NOT beat a path to my door because the degree was unusual and ahead of its time. I had to present myself, my qualifications, and sell my potential to future employers. If you don't have good self-promotion & sales skills, you may not reap the full benefit of a broader course of training.
 
tygerdawg said:
Many moons ago I got my Master's from something similar, it was an "Integrated Manufacturing Systems Engineering" mix of Mechanical, Electrical, Industrial Engineering, plus Computer Science and Business.

It suited my personality very well. The alternative (at that university) was to pursue a MSME which under that administration was nothing more than an applied mathematics degree. I hated that. The degree I earned has been quite useful in my career because it was very broad. I never wanted to be narrowly-scoped in any job.

But industry DID NOT beat a path to my door because the degree was unusual and ahead of its time. I had to present myself, my qualifications, and sell my potential to future employers. If you don't have good self-promotion & sales skills, you may not reap the full benefit of a broader course of training.

How about professorships? It seems like it would be hard to tell what the graduate really is. The PhD. is called Computational Science and Engineering, so would the graduate be a computer scientist, an engineer, a mathemetician, or something else? Or would he/she be qualified to be a professor in any of these areas?
 
Hercuflea said:
How about professorships? It seems like it would be hard to tell what the graduate really is. The PhD. is called Computational Science and Engineering, so would the graduate be a computer scientist, an engineer, a mathemetician, or something else? Or would he/she be qualified to be a professor in any of these areas?

I poured over the contents of that site earlier, and--from what I can tell--you get enough content knowledge to be a professor in the area of the "home unit" you choose to go into the program through.
 

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