Integrating 1/xln(x) using integration by parts

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The problem involves integrating the function 1/xln(x) using integration by parts, with an initial attempt leading to a comparison with a substitution method that yields ln(ln(x)). The original poster is exploring the implications of the results obtained from both methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts integration by parts and expresses confusion regarding the discrepancy between the results of integration by parts and substitution. Some participants question the correctness of the integration by parts setup, particularly regarding the differentiation of u.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the implications of the integration results and the importance of the constant of integration. There is recognition of a potential mistake in the integration by parts approach, leading to further exploration of the relationship between the two methods.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need to consider the constant of integration when comparing results from different integration techniques. Some participants note the potential for confusion arising from missing signs in differentiation.

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Homework Statement


Integrating 1/xlnx by parts...

Homework Equations


Find the integral of 1/xlnx

The question asks to solve by substitution, which I can do and results in ln(ln(x)) + c

It then asks to compute using integration by parts, and then to explain how it can be true (because it will compute something different to substitution).

The Attempt at a Solution


I = uv - int (v dU)

let u= 1/lnx du = 1/x(lnx)^2
let dv = 1/x, v = lnx

Sub into the parts formula

I = lnx* 1/lnx - int (lnx/x(lnx)^2)
I = lnx/lnx - int (1/xlnx) <--- what we started with
I = 1 - int (1/xlnx) This is 1 - I, the integral we began with...

I've bene shown this trick where you can go..
I = 1- I
2I = 1
I = 1/2

I'm not sure if this is correct, but I would appreciate any help

Thank you
 
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It is correct
 
Thank you for the quick reply. I'm also asked to explain how I = 1/2 can be true, when using substitution yields ln(ln(x)). This is basically where I am stuck.

Thank you
 
ln(ln(x)) is correct.
Regarding Integration by parts, you have missed -ve sign in differentiating u
It will be
I=1+I
resulting in 1=0 which is wrong.
 
n.karthick said:
ln(ln(x)) is correct.
Regarding Integration by parts, you have missed -ve sign in differentiating u
It will be
I=1+I
resulting in 1=0 which is wrong.

No, it results in 1 = C.
 
I can see I've missed the negative which changes it quite a bit.

Is the integration by parts correct for C=1? It hasn't really solved the integral, or am I missing something here?
 
Typically, you'll see this problem as an example of why it's so important to remember the constant of integration, because otherwise you end up with nonsense like 1 = 0.
 

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