Integrating a Vector Modulus: Dealing with Square Roots in Exponential Form

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a vector modulus in the context of an integral involving exponential functions and square roots. The original poster is grappling with the expression \(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-a| \vec{r}|}e^{-\vec{b}. \vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|}\) and is uncertain about how to manage the square root in the exponential when substituting \(|\vec{r}|\) with \(\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}\).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using spherical coordinates and discuss the implications of transforming the integral, including the complexity introduced by the \(\vec{b}.\vec{r}\) term. There are inquiries about the effectiveness of trigonometric identities in simplifying the integral and concerns about the integration process itself.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using spherical coordinates and highlighted the rotational independence of the integral's value. There is an ongoing exploration of different coordinate systems and trigonometric identities, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, including the challenges of integrating over infinite limits and the complexity of the expressions involved. The original poster has expressed frustration with the integration process and the use of trigonometric identities.

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I am trying to do this integral
\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-a| \vec{r}|}e^{-\vec{b}. \vec{r}}}{|\vec{r}|}
But if I write the modulus as
\vec{r}=\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}}
I can't figure out how to handle the annoying square root in the exponential.

Would be grateful for hints, thanks in advance.
 
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Use spherical coordinates. Use the appropriate volume element.
 
arkajad said:
Use spherical coordinates. Use the appropriate volume element.

Doesn't the \vec{b}.\vec{r} term then become a horrible mess though?
Like b_{1}cos\theta sin \phi +b_{2}sin\theta sin \phi+... which is a pain because it is in the exponential so at best you can get it in the denominator of a fraction when you integrate r out.
 
You can use spherical coordinates for both b and r. Then use trygonometrical identities.
 
arkajad said:
You can use spherical coordinates for both b and r. Then use trygonometrical identities.

Hey, could I pester you again? I am still banging my head against the wall with this question. I have
<br /> \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\phi \int_{0}^{\pi} d\theta \int_{0}^{\infty} dr \, r \sin(\theta) \exp[r\{a+ib\left[\sin(\theta)\cos(\phi)\sin(b_{\theta})\cos(b_{\phi}))+\sin(\theta)\sin(\phi)\sin(b_{\theta})\sin(b_{\phi}))+\cos(\theta)\cos(b_{\theta}\right]\}]<br />

I just cannot find a trig identity that helps though. I tried integrating out r using<br /> \int_{0}^{\infty}xe^{-ax}=1/a^{2}but couldn't get anywhere that way either
 
First notice that the value of the integral is rotation independent (it depends only on absolute value of r and on the scalar product of b and r, both invariant under rotations. Therefore you can choose your coordinate system the way you like - the result will not change. So, choose it so that the vector b, which is kept constant during the integration, has coordinates (0,0,b), b positive.

Then the trigonometry part will be almost trivial.
 

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