Integrating complicated functions of time

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The discussion revolves around integrating a complicated function of time, specifically the expression m' = G O^1/2 m^(-1/2), where m' represents the derivative of m with respect to time. The participants are exploring the relationships between the variables involved, including G and O, and how to approach the integration process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to integrate the expression and considers the implications of the relationships between G, O, and m. They express uncertainty about the best form to work with and whether substitution could be useful. Other participants suggest eliminating variables to simplify the integration process and discuss the integration of a related function a' = a^(-0.5).

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on how to approach the integration. Some guidance has been provided on rewriting the expressions in terms of a single variable, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing information regarding the relationship between the functions and time, which participants are attempting to navigate. The original poster expresses confusion about combining different parts of the integral and the implications of the total differential.

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Homework Statement



m' = G O^1/2 m^(-1/2)

where m' = dm/dt. Find m by integrating this expression wrt to time (indefinite).


Homework Equations



We have G = m'/m

and O = constant/G^2

and m is a function of time m(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that integral of m'/m = ln m, so that means I can integrate the G part. I have tried to integrate O by taking the constant outside the integral, which leaves an integral of [1/(G^2)]^(1/2) or just [G^(-2)]^(1/2) or [(m'/m)^(-2)]^(1/2) I am not sure what form is easiest to work with, and have no idea how to start with this part! Could I use the substitution rule? I can't see how...

The last part is an integral of m^(-1/2) which is 2m^(1/2).

I also have no idea how to combine the three different parts together to give the final equation for the integral.
 
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First, put it all in terms of m and m'. If you know G in terms of m and m', and O in terms of G (which you know in terms of m and m'), then you can eliminate G and O, and get it in the form m' = f(m), where f is some function only of m (and perhaps some constants). Then you can integrate to find m in terms of t.
 
Thanks phyzguy. I have been having a go at that, a lot of the m terms cancel out, so I am left with

a' = a^(-0.5) {times a constant}

Again a is some function of time. How do I integrate this wrt time t, without knowing how a and t are related? I think I am looking for the opposite of the "total differential", where you can just put a'(t) to indicate the derivative of some arbitrary function a of t. How do I do this in integration?
 
If you have a' = a^(-n), then you can write:
[tex]\frac{da}{dt} = a^{-n}[/tex]
[tex]a^n da = dt[/tex]
[tex]\int a^n da = \int dt = t + C[/tex]

Hopefully you can do the a integral, then solve for a as a function of t.
 

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