Integrating Recurrence Formula for x_n = n^{-1} - 7x_{n-1}

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The discussion revolves around a recurrence formula related to the integral x_{n} = \int_0^1 \frac{t^n}{t+7}dt, specifically showing that x_n = n^{-1} - 7x_{n-1} and verifying the initial condition x_0=ln(8/7).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using integration by parts and long division as potential methods to derive the recurrence relationship. There is uncertainty about the effectiveness of integration by parts and whether the correct substitutions were made.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested alternative approaches, such as long division, indicating a shift in focus from integration by parts. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the problem without reaching a consensus on the best method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the integral and its recursive relationship, with some expressing doubt about their current methods and the assumptions underlying their approaches.

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Hi guys. I'm having a bit of trouble with what I thought was a simple math question.

Homework Statement


[itex]x_{n}[/itex] = [itex]\int_0^1 \frac{t^n}{t+7}dt[/itex]

Show that [itex]x_0[/itex]=ln(8/7) and [itex]x_n = n^{-1} - 7x_{n-1}[/itex]

2. The attempt at a solution

Showing x0 = ln(8/7) is a vanilla textbook log question. I'm having trouble with the second part. I am using integration by parts on the form:
[itex]\int^1_0 t \frac{t^{n-1}}{t+7}dt[/itex]
and letting u=t and dv=[itex]\frac{t^{n-1}}{t+7}dt[/itex]
This give:
[itex]tx_{n-1}|^1_0 - \int_0^1 x_{n-1} dt\\<br /> = x_{n-1} - \int_0^1 x_{n-1} dt[/itex]

at which point I'm stuck. I'm not sure if I've used the right IBP substitution or if I'm just almost there and it's just a case of simplifying what I have into a more general case (but can't see it).

Thanks
 
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I'm still trying to figure it out using IBP, but try using long division on the integrand instead to arrive at a recursive relationship for the quotient. Then integrate.
 
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Very astute! I don't think integration by parts leads anywhere. You might change your post to just the hint, "try long division" instead of giving the whole solution. It's more subtle.
 
Thanks Dick. And yes, I suppose you're right. I just edited it.
 

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