Integrating sine from 0 to pi: What does the graph show?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the sine function from 0 to π, focusing on the visualization of the integral as the area under the graph. Participants explore the relationship between the integral of sine and cosine, questioning why both methods yield the same result and what this implies about the nature of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that integrating sin from 0 to π represents summing the area under the graph, questioning the relationship between the maximum value of the sine function and the limits of integration.
  • Another participant clarifies that the integral of sin(x) from 0 to π results in 2, while the integral of cos(x) over the same interval results in 0, indicating that the areas cancel out when considering the cosine function.
  • A participant expresses confusion about why integrating sin(x) results in -cos(x) and how this relates to the area under the graph, seeking further clarification on the reasoning behind these mathematical relationships.
  • One response references the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, implying a connection between integration and the area under curves.
  • Another participant explains that integration can be understood as finding the area under the curve by considering infinitesimally small rectangles, emphasizing the concept of limits in calculus.
  • Links to external resources are provided for further exploration of Riemann sums and definite integrals, suggesting that visual aids may help clarify the concepts discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the relationship between the integrals of sine and cosine, with some agreeing on the area interpretation while others contest specific statements about the integration process. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the conceptual underpinnings of these integrals.

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Some participants' statements rely on assumptions about the nature of integration and the properties of sine and cosine functions, which may not be universally accepted or fully explained in the discussion.

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Lets say I want to integrate sin from 0 to pi

The answer is 2

But how do visualize it in terms of the graph?

am I summing up the area under the graph?

So it's like max value of 1 on the y-axis
While the x-axis stretches from 0 to 3.14?

If so, then why does doing the calculus in terms of cos (after integrating) give me the same result?

What is the reason behind it? What am I doing essentially?


Thanks!
 
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Most of what you are saying is almost correct- you can visualize the integral as the signed area below the graph of y= sin(x) and above y= 0 between x= 0 and x= \pi. If the graph is below the y= 0, the "area" is negative.

But I don't understand your statement "why does doing the calculus in terms of cos (after integrating) give me the same result?". That's not true at all:
\int_0^{\pi} sin(x)dx= \left[-\cos(x)\right]_0^{\pi}= -(-1)-(-1)= 2

\int_0^{\pi} cos(x)dx= \left[sin(x)\right]_0^{\pi}= 0- 0= 0

With y= cos(x), for \pi/2< \pi< \pi, one half of the graph is above the y-axis, the other is below and so the two cancel.
 
er no , that's not what i meant

i mean, if integrating sin from 0 to pi means counting the area underneath the graph, then i will get 2 as the answer right?

so now my other question is why does doing the same integration, sin from 0 to pi, BUT using the method of

∫ sinx = -cos x over 0 to pi, gives me 2 too?

essentially, why is the integral of sin, -cos?

and why does summing 0 to pi for -cos = counting the area underneath the graph?
 
Fundamental theorem of calculus.
 
hi quietrain! :smile:
quietrain said:
essentially, why is the integral of sin, -cos?

and why does summing 0 to pi for -cos = counting the area underneath the graph?

because if the area from 0 to x is A(x),

then A(x + dx) - A(x) is the area of a little almost-rectangle with width dx and height sinx.

ie approximately A(x + dx) - A(x) = sinx dx,

or approximately [A(x + dx) - A(x)]/dx = sinx …

in the limit, dA/dx = sinx :wink:

(and cos(x+dx) - cosx = 2sin(x + dx/2)sin(dx/2) ~ sinx)
 
"Why" is a question for Religion, not Science.
"What" and "How" are the province of Science and Mathematics.

Now your question ... "What am I doing essentially ?"
Answer; You are finding the area under the curve by multiplying the equation for the curve by dx and adding all those slim vertical rectangular areas while taking the limit as dx => 0. The limit gives you the most accurate answer possible. So ...

Integration is Multiplication [in the limit] while one of the multiplicands is changing
That is why Integration also yields Volume or Work or Distance and thus is so useful.
Any quantity under change that is calculated by multiplication requires Integration.

Remember, Calculus is the Mathematics of Change.
 
Take a look at this:

http://www.calvin.edu/~rpruim/courses/m161/F01/java/RiemannSums.shtml
 
This too:

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/introduction-to-definite-integrals?topic=calculus

You'll be able to see what it means and its physics application.
 
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alright thanks everyone!
 

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