Integrating the Area between Two Graphs - Positive & Negative Regions

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The discussion revolves around the process of integrating to find the area between two graphs, particularly focusing on how to handle positive and negative regions relative to the x-axis. Participants explore the appropriate methods for setting integration limits and the implications of integrating curves that cross the x-axis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the area under the x-axis, specifically whether to subtract the more negative curve from the less negative curve or vice versa.
  • Another participant suggests that the area should be calculated as the bigger area minus the smaller area, noting that integration limits can be chosen based on the direction of integration.
  • A participant raises a scenario where one curve is above the x-axis and another extends below it, asking whether to integrate the positive and negative parts separately or together.
  • One response indicates that separate integration is necessary to avoid cancellation of areas when curves cross the x-axis, using the sine function as an example of symmetry leading to a zero result.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the correct order of subtraction when finding the area bounded by negative curves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach integration for areas involving negative curves, with no consensus on the best method for determining limits or the order of subtraction.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the treatment of negative areas and the implications of integrating across different regions of the graphs.

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hi, erm i just want to ask about integration

lets say for finding area between 2 graphs, on the positive region, we take the integration of upper curve minus the lower curve w.r.t x-axis

so what about the area under the x-axis (negative part)

do we take the more negative curve(greater negative w.r.t x-axis, meaning further away from x-axis) minus the less negative curve(less negative w.r.t x-axis, meaning closer to x-axis) or is it the other way round?

also what will be my integration limits from? like -5 to -3 or -3 to -5 ?

also is this the same w.r.t y-axis?

thanks
 
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Bigger area minus smaller area will give the positive area. Also limits from -5 to -3 or -3 to -5 is optional.If Integral value from -5 to -3 is positive, then integral from -3 to -5 will be negative. Whatever way you do the integration, if you are finding the area, then take only the positive value
 
also, if let's say, above the x-axis,

curve A is above curve B w.r.t x-axis, but curve A extends to below the x-axis AND is closer to the x-axis then curve B,

so what will i have to integrate from?

i know on top is integrate curve A - B, but do i take the limits of x-values, all the way from the part where the graph is positive, to including the negative graph part?

or do i have to integrate only the positive part separately, and then integrate the negative by itself?
 
You will have to do separate integration. If you take the limit all the way, then the area that you get will be the area of curve above x axis minus area of curve below x axis. So you should separately take the limits.

For example, integral f(x)= sin(x) from 0 to 360 degrees is zero. This is because the area of curve above x axis(from 0 to 180) is equal to area of curve below x-axis as is clear from its symmetry. The areas get subtracted to give zero as the answer.
 
oh isee...

so should i take the more negative curve - the less negative curve or the other way round? if i want to find the area of the region bounded by the negative curves.
 

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