Integrating the sqrt of a function

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The discussion revolves around integrating a function related to the Friedmann equations, specifically involving the expression (xan - 1)-1/2 da = dt, where 'a' is a function of 't' and 'x' is a constant. Participants are exploring how to derive 'a' as a function of 't' and have encountered specific cases with different values of 'n'.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss their attempts to differentiate a given solution to verify its correctness and relate it back to the original integral. They express uncertainty about the steps involved and question the accuracy of their differentiation results. Some participants suggest checking for transcription errors and consider the possibility of needing to show more working to clarify their reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively engaging in verifying their calculations and exploring different approaches. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been offered regarding differentiation and the need for careful transcription of complex expressions.

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Participants mention the challenge of using computational tools like Wolfram for verification and express concerns about potential errors in their work. The complexity of the formulas involved adds to the difficulty of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Apologies for the vague title, I'm not reall sure what I'm look at here! I am doing some revision on solving the Friedmann equations, and in a lot of cases I end up having to integrate a function that looks like

(xan - 1)-1/2 da = dt

where a is a function of t, x is a constant, and I am trying to find an equation that describes a as a function of t. The first examples I have found have n = -1, n = -2

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I do have a solution for one of these in my lecture notes. In the case where

dt = (xa-1-1)-1/2

the solution is given as

t = x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2) - a1/2 (x - a)1/2

I would normally look on wolfram and work through their step-by-step solution to teach myself the method, but even wolfram can't answer this one! Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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ck99 said:

Homework Statement



Apologies for the vague title, I'm not reall sure what I'm look at here! I am doing some revision on solving the Friedmann equations, and in a lot of cases I end up having to integrate a function that looks like

(xan - 1)-1/2 da = dt

where a is a function of t, x is a constant, and I am trying to find an equation that describes a as a function of t. The first examples I have found have n = -1, n = -2

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I do have a solution for one of these in my lecture notes. In the case where

dt = (xa-1-1)-1/2

the solution is given as

t = x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2) - a1/2 (x - a)1/2

I would normally look on wolfram and work through their step-by-step solution to teach myself the method, but even wolfram can't answer this one! Any help would be much appreciated.

You can check the stated result by differentiating which is often all the insight anyone needs.
 
Thanks for the tip. I have tried that approach, and double-checked my differentiation with wolfram, but I can't get from the given solution to the starting point in that direction either!

I started with the first term in the solution

d/da x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2)

. . . lots of substitutions . . .

= x2(1+(xa-1-1)-1/2)-1(2a2(xa-1-1)3/2)-1

Phew! And for the second term in the solution, I got

d/da a1/2 (x - a)1/2 = (x-2a)(2(xa-a2)1/2)-1

As I say, I have checked these differentiations with Wolfram so I am sure they are correct (although there is always the possibility of transcription errors when typing such complex formulae) but I can't see how they add up to give the original expression I was trying to integrate. What could I try next?
 
ck99 said:
Thanks for the tip. I have tried that approach, and double-checked my differentiation with wolfram, but I can't get from the given solution to the starting point in that direction either!

I started with the first term in the solution

d/da x arctan ((xa-1-1)-1/2)

. . . lots of substitutions . . .

= x2(1+(xa-1-1)-1/2)-1(2a2(xa-1-1)3/2)-1

Phew! And for the second term in the solution, I got

d/da a1/2 (x - a)1/2 = (x-2a)(2(xa-a2)1/2)-1

As I say, I have checked these differentiations with Wolfram so I am sure they are correct (although there is always the possibility of transcription errors when typing such complex formulae) but I can't see how they add up to give the original expression I was trying to integrate. What could I try next?

I don't have time today to go through that - perhaps another site member could. Showing more of your working wouldn't harm.

exercise for students!:approve:

Are you sure you quoted result right? Some other bracket? For the second part I got

- x a-1/2 (x - a)-1/2 .
 
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