Integrating Trig Substitution: Simplifying the Solution

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a function involving a square root and a polynomial, specifically the integral of x^3 divided by the square root of (x^2 + 9). The subject area is calculus, focusing on techniques such as trigonometric substitution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of trigonometric substitution, specifically setting x = 3tan(θ) and deriving expressions involving secant and tangent functions. Questions arise regarding the simplification of the resulting expressions and the origin of specific terms, such as -18, in the final answer.

Discussion Status

Some participants are attempting to simplify their results and are questioning the steps taken to arrive at the expected form of the answer. There is acknowledgment of different interpretations of the simplification process, and guidance has been offered regarding the importance of including all necessary components in the integral setup.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integration and simplification, with some expressing confusion over specific terms and the overall structure of their solutions. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these points without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



\int\frac{x^3}{\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}

Homework Equations



x = 3\tan{\theta}
dx=3\sec^2{\theta}

The Attempt at a Solution



27\int\tan^3{\theta}\sec{\theta}
27\int\tan{\theta}(\sec^2{\theta} - 1)\sec{\theta}
27\int(sec^3{\theta} - \sec{\theta})\tan{\theta}
27[\int\sec^3{\theta}\tan{\theta} - \int\sec{\theta}\tan{\theta}
27(\frac{1}{3}\sec^3{\theta} - \sec{\theta})
= 27[\frac{1}{3}(\frac{\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3})^3 - \frac{\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3}] + C

The correct answer is as follows:

\frac{1}{3}(x^2 - 18)\sqrt{x^2 + 9}Any ideas?
 
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Both are correct. You just haven't simplified your answer to the form given in the book.

Btw, Welcome to PF! :)
 
Thanks for the welcoming. Love the forums.

I'm trying to simplify it but end up with something different. Where does the -18 come from? I've done the following:

9(\frac{\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3})^3 - \frac{27\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3}
9[\frac{(x^2 + 9)\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{27}] - 9\sqrt{x^2 + 9}
\frac{x^2 + 9\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3} - 9\sqrt{x^2 + 9}
\frac{[(x^2 + 9) - 9]\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3}
\frac{x^2\sqrt{x^2 + 9}}{3}

Thanks.
 
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27\left[\frac{\sqrt{x^2+9}}{3}\frac{(x^2+9)}{27} - \frac{\sqrt{x^2+9}}{3}\right]<br />

= 27\left[\frac{\sqrt{x^2+9}}{3}\left(\frac{(x^2+9)}{27} - 1\right)\right]
 
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The first bit of tex you typed, you didn't have a dx stuck on the end. Ill sound pedantic, but you really should not forget them.
 

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