Integration by parts and roots

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the definite integral of \( e^{\sqrt{x}} \) from \( x=0 \) to \( x=1 \). Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, including integration by parts and substitution techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using \( u = \sqrt{x} \) and expresses confusion about what to set \( v \) as in the integration by parts method.
  • Another participant confirms the integral as \( \int_0^1 e^{\sqrt{x}}dx \) and acknowledges potential mistakes in their approach.
  • A different participant proposes a substitution \( t = e^{\sqrt{x}} \) and discusses the transformation of limits and the differential \( dt \) in the context of integration.
  • One participant cautions against setting \( u = \sqrt{x} \) for integration by parts, emphasizing the need to account for \( dx \) and suggesting that substitution should be performed first.
  • Another participant recommends substituting \( x = t^2 \) and describes the corresponding changes in the integral and limits, while also suggesting the use of partial integration.
  • Yet another participant presents an alternative approach by rewriting the integral and applying integration by parts after a substitution involving \( t = \sqrt{x} \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and approaches to tackle the integral, but there is no consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to evaluate the integral.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of correctly handling the differential \( dx \) and changing limits appropriately during substitution, but the discussion does not resolve the specific steps or assumptions involved in the integration process.

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Ok. I have a definite integral of e^sqroot(x) dx from x=0 to x=1.

I would use u=sqroot(x) and du=1/2*sqroot(x), but I'm confused what I would set v=?
 
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[tex]\int_0^1 e^{\sqrt x}dx[/tex]
 
rocophysics said:
[tex]\int_0^1 e^{\sqrt x}dx[/tex]

yes, haha thanks. I knew I would screw it up if i tried.
 
[tex]t=e^{\sqrt x} \rightarrow \ln t=\sqrt x[/tex] "evaluate for new limits" [tex]|_0^1=|_1^e[/tex]

[tex]dt=\frac{e^{\sqrt x}}{2\sqrt x}dx \rightarrow 2\ln tdt=e^{\sqrt x}dx[/tex]

[tex]2\int_1^e\ln tdt[/tex]

Take it from here.
 
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Remember that the "dx" is not just notation. In integrating by parts or in substitution you will need to account for it. However if you're trying to do this integral by parts you're not going to want to set [tex]u=\sqrt{x}[/tex] as this is not a factor of your integrand. For integration by parts you need the form:
[tex]\int u dv[/tex]

I think you're first going to want to execute the variable substitution of [tex]u=\sqrt{x}[/tex] and see what integral you get. Then possibly it will be integrable by parts.

Remember that in executing substitution you either need to change your limits to those of the new variable (actually the same in this case) or you should rewrite your final integral back in terms of the original variable before you evaluate the limits.
 
As explained by jambaugh substitute x = t^2, then exp(sqrt(x)) = exp(t) and dx = 2t dt The limits x = 0 and x = 1 correspond to t = 1 and t = 1 respectively.

Try to do this integral using partial integration. Also try to do it by first computing the integral of exp(p t) where p is an arbitrary parameter and then differentiate both sides w.r.t. p.
 
[tex]\int_0^1 e^{\sqrt x}dx[/tex]
another way of doing it would be like this
[tex]\int_0^1 e^{\sqrt x}dx=\int_0^1 \sqrt x \frac{e^{\sqrt x}}{\sqrt x }[/tex] And then take the sub
[tex]t=\sqrt x, so, <br /> <br /> dt=\frac{dx}{2 \sqrt x}=>2dt=\frac{dx}{\sqrt x}, x=0 => t=0, x=1=> t=1[/tex] then
[tex]\int_0^1 2t e^{t}[/tex] and now you could apply integration by parts, by letting u=t and [tex]v=\int e^{t}dt[/tex]
 

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