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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function (3x)/(3x-2), with a focus on the method of integration by parts and the use of substitution. Participants explore different approaches to solve the integral, including the integration of the natural logarithm function ln(3x-2).

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests help with integrating (3x)/(3x-2) using integration by parts but expresses confusion about integrating 1/(3x-2).
  • Another participant suggests that substitution is a more straightforward method than integration by parts for the integral of 1/(3x-2).
  • A third participant notes that if integration by parts is not required, substitution could suffice to solve the integral.
  • One participant mentions that the original problem involves integrating ln(3x-2) and questions the necessity of absolute values in the answer.
  • Another participant points out that dropping absolute values assumes 3x-2>0, which may not always hold true.
  • Confusion arises when a participant clarifies that they initially asked to integrate (3x)/(3x-2) and not 1/(3x-2).
  • A later reply suggests using integration by parts with u=ln(3x-2) and mentions simplifying the expression through polynomial long division.
  • Participants discuss the integration of the expression derived from simplifying (3x)/(3x-2) and how it relates to the original problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for integration, with some advocating for substitution while others support integration by parts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of absolute values in the final answer.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the domain of the function and the conditions under which integration methods are applied. The participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the problem.

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Integrate the function. (3x)/(3x-2)

I am spose to use integration by parts but i don't know how to integrate 1/(3x-2). anybody help??
 
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[tex]\int \frac{dx}{3x-2}[/tex] well, i don't know why ure supposed to use integ. by parts, since a nice subst. would work.

substitute 3x-2=u, then 3dx=du=> dx=du/3 so

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{3x-2}=\frac{1}{3}\int \frac{du}{u}=\frac{1}{3}ln|u|+c[/tex] now just go back to the original variable x.
 
Well, i assume now that you were asked to use integ. by parts on the original function. but if you are not required to do so, there is a nice trick to avoid it ,so you will only need to use subst.
 
I tried but it said the answer doesn't involve absolute value... :( the original problem was find the integral of >>> ln(3x-2)
 
well, if you drop the absolute values, then you are assuming that 3x-2>0, otherwise that would not hold.
 
But wait i asked to integrate (3x)/(3x-2) not dx/(3x-2)... hm... I am confused
 
darthxepher said:
I tried but it said the answer doesn't involve absolute value... :( the original problem was find the integral of >>> ln(3x-2)
You should have told us so explicitly. Use integration by parts here, denote u=ln(3x-2). Find v and du, and then you'll have to integrate 3x/(3x-2) which you should do by first simplifying the expression by polynomial long division. And are you sure the answer doesn't have absolute signs? There is a ln in the answer is there not?
 
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darthxepher said:
But wait i asked to integrate (3x)/(3x-2) not dx/(3x-2)... hm... I am confused
Yeah, but look here

[tex]\frac{3x}{3x-2}=\frac{3x-2+2}{3x-2}=\frac{3x-2}{3x-2}+\frac{2}{3x-2}=1+\frac{2}{3x-2}[/tex]

so all you need to integrate is what i already told you how!...lol...
 

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