Integration by substitution diff. eq.

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation presented in a textbook, specifically focusing on the integration by substitution method. The original poster attempts to follow the prescribed guidelines but encounters a discrepancy between their result and the book's answer.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the original poster's approach using substitution and the implications of a constant term in indefinite integrals. Questions arise regarding the treatment of constants in definite integrals and whether the method of integration affects the final result.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the absorption of constants into the integration constant, while others explore the implications of using different integration methods. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, particularly regarding the necessity of u-substitution.

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The discussion includes considerations about the differences between indefinite and definite integrals, as well as the specific requirements of the homework assignment that may influence the approach taken.

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Homework Statement


From Larson, 9th Edition: Section 4.5. Solve the differential equation

\frac{\operatorname{d}y}{\operatorname{d}x}=4x+ \frac{4x}{\sqrt{16-x^2}}

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Well, I can get my book's answer, but not through doing things in the prescribed way, because I get a different answer following the section's guidelines and examples. Using those, I choose a variable u=16-x^2. Taking the derivative, we obtain du=2x \ \operatorname{d}x. Rearranging this to get a 4x factor, we have -2 \operatorname{d}u = 4x \operatorname{d}x.

Plugging this back into the differential equation and rearranging the dx gives us:
<br /> \int \operatorname{d}y = -2 \int \operatorname{d}u + (-2)\int u^\frac{-1}{2} \operatorname{d}u

Now I wind up with y=-2u - 4\sqrt{u} + C
Which, using substitution becomes 2x^2-4\sqrt{16-x^2}-32+C, but the book's answer is 2x^2 -4\sqrt{16-x^2} + C

Now I can get this answer if I just take the integral of the first 4x and only use substitution for the second term, but I am not sure why my answers should be different. Unless it really doesn't matter and the 32 from my answer just becomes part of the constant of integration C
 
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It's exactly what you think. The -32 can be absorbed into the C. Indefinite integrals can always have a constant added and they work just as well.
 
Thanks Dick. Just out of curiosity, what would happen if this were a definite integral? The same, I am assuming, since we would have to subtract -32 from -32?
 
lordofpi said:
Thanks Dick. Just out of curiosity, what would happen if this were a definite integral? The same, I am assuming, since we would have to subtract -32 from -32?

You wouldn't see the -32 in a definite integral, because again, as you say, it would cancel. That's why it's not important.
 
It's not necessary to use u-substitution to evaluate both integrals simultaneously.
The integral of 4x is readily evaluated using the standard formula. The u-substitution
can be used to evaluate the integral with the radical.
 

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