Integration involving Substitution

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The problem involves finding the arc length of the function f(x) = x(sqrt(x/2-x)) from 0 to x, utilizing integral forms and substitution methods.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivative of the function and its implications for the arc length formula. There is an exploration of substitution methods and integral forms, with some participants questioning the use of external computational tools like Wolfram Alpha and seeking alternative simplification strategies.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and expressing uncertainty about the next steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding potential methods to tackle the integral, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive approach.

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There is mention of restrictions on using computational tools, as indicated by the original poster's professor, which may influence the direction of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Find the arc length of the function f(x) = x(sqrt(x/2-x) from 0 to x

Integral forms involving a+bu
--> integral [sqrt(a+bu)]/u^2du

Homework Equations


Arc Length = integral sqrt(1+(f'(x))^2)dx

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I took the derrivate
f'(x) = sqrt(x/2-x) + x/[(2-x)^2(sqrt(x/2-x))]
= [x(2-x)+x]/[(2-x)^2(sqrt(x/2-x))]
=[x(3-x)]/[(2-x)^2(sqrt(x/2-x)]

Then, the square of f'(x)
= [x^2(3-x)^2]/[x(2-x)^3]
=[x(3-x)^2]/[(2-x)^3]

Then I added 1 to the square of the derivative, which simplified to
=[8-3x]/[2-x]^3

Then, the square root of the above
=sqrt([8-3x]/[2-x]^3)

I substituted 2-x = t
=sqrt[(3t+2)/(t^3)] <--multiplied top and bottom by sqrt[t]
=sqrt(3t^2+2t)/t^2

I'm stuck here..I'm allowed to use formulas from a table of integrals (i.e. the one specified above), but I can't seem to get it into that form ..
 
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Congratulations on getting that far. That's one nasty integral. I don't have a good integral table so I put sqrt(3t^2+2t)/t^2 into Wolfram Alpha and said "Show steps". It says, i) complete the square in the numerator, ii) do a sec trig substitution and then iii) use the universal tan(x/2) Weierstrass substitution and finally iv) get something you can solve by partial fractions. The result is less than pleasant, but it looks simpler than the steps involved in getting there. There may be a shortcut. But who cares? Life is short. Can you use WA or a computer algebra system instead of an integral table? A system like maxima also seems to handle it ok. And it's free.
 
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Hey, I don't think we're suppose to use the Wolfram alpha application. I asked my prof, and he said there was an "easy" way to simplify, although I have failed to find one yet.
 
hungryhippo said:
Hey, I don't think we're suppose to use the Wolfram alpha application. I asked my prof, and he said there was an "easy" way to simplify, although I have failed to find one yet.

Ok, so maybe there is an easier way. I guess I'm not seeing one right now either.
 

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