Integration involving trig. substitution

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The discussion revolves around the application of trigonometric substitution in integrals, particularly in the context of calculus. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the legality and implications of using trigonometric substitution in various integrals, including those that may lead to undefined expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the conditions under which trigonometric substitution can be applied, questioning whether it is valid for all integrals. They express concern about potential undefined values resulting from the substitution.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on specific types of integrals where trigonometric substitution is most effective, such as those involving square roots of sums or differences of squares.
  • Others raise points about the importance of constants in integration and the need for careful handling of factors during the integration process.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's concerns, providing feedback on their attempts and suggesting areas for improvement. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in trigonometric substitution, with some guidance offered on specific integrals and methods. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without reaching a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is self-studying calculus and is transitioning to more advanced topics. They mention a lack of clarity in their textbook regarding trigonometric substitution, which contributes to their questions about its applicability. There is also a reference to the challenges of using LaTeX for mathematical expressions in the forum.

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Hey there, apologies for doing so, but I don't know how to use latex on this board (it doesn't show me anything when I hit preview, so I had to make a picture for the sake of cleanness.

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The first line is the original problem, with the proceeding lines being the attempt I made.

I have about four months before I transfer to a new university and figured I might as well self-study Calculus. I finished Calculus I without any trouble so I just started doing what I will eventually cover in Calculus II, but unfortunately my textbook offers only a mechanical way of doing this technique which leaves some doubt in my mind.

Is trigonometric substitution legal to do in any integral (regardless of whether it will actually help integrating) so long as you also substitute any related variables to the one you're substituting with? I've tried it out with simple indefinite integrals like ∫3x^2 dx but I'm unsure whether or not issues would occur if I substituted, for example, x = tan(θ) for ∫1/x due to the fact that 1/tan(θ) is undefined in an infinite amount of inputs while 1/x is undefined in only one.

Furthermore, I've looked over my work and I can't find any errors, so I don't know whether there's some concept I'm completely missing out on or there's some hidden error I just can't see.

Thanks for any input.
 
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You are messing up in the integration by parts section. Otherwise, well done! You are partially ignoring the presence of the 9/4 factor. Try it this way. Just integrate sec^3 by parts. Add the 9/4 factor later.
 
Your work looks good, and nothing immediately pops out at me. I think that you have a constant wrong somewhere.

I'll take a closer look and see if I can spot where the problem is.

I suppose trig substitution could be applied to any integral, but where it's most commonly used is where you have the square root of a sum or difference of squares. The radical can appear in the numerator, but commonly appears in the denominator.

The idea with trig substitution is to apply the substitution to get an integral that you can actually evaluate, so I don't see it used with cube roots, or the like, or with simple polynomials or power functions, as in your example.

LaTeX isn't hard to use. Here's the LaTeX for the integral you started with. To make it actually render, put a pair of $ signs at the beginning, and another pair at the end.

\int \sqrt{9 + 16x^2}dx

Edit: Dick beat me to it, so I won't take a closer look.
 
Dick said:
You are messing up in the integration by parts section. Otherwise, well done! You are partially ignoring the presence of the 9/4 factor. Try it this way. Just integrate sec^3 by parts. Add the 9/4 factor later.

Thank you! I followed your suggestion and saw that the result I had was indeed different than what I had previously gotten. After multiplying that by 9/4, differentiating gives my original function. :smile:



Mark44 said:
Your work looks good, and nothing immediately pops out at me. I think that you have a constant wrong somewhere.

I'll take a closer look and see if I can spot where the problem is.

I suppose trig substitution could be applied to any integral, but where it's most commonly used is where you have the square root of a sum or difference of squares. The radical can appear in the numerator, but commonly appears in the denominator.

The idea with trig substitution is to apply the substitution to get an integral that you can actually evaluate, so I don't see it used with cube roots, or the like, or with simple polynomials or power functions, as in your example.

LaTeX isn't hard to use. Here's the LaTeX for the integral you started with. To make it actually render, put a pair of $ signs at the beginning, and another pair at the end.

\int \sqrt{9 + 16x^2}dx

Edit: Dick beat me to it, so I won't take a closer look.

Yeah, I can see where it's convenient to use, I was just wondering if there were any inputs in which θ would lead to an undefined expression where, in the original expression written in terms of x, there would be a defined answer.

However, I worked it out for a specific example on paper and saw that when θ gave undefined values, the corresponding x for that θ would have given undefined values anyways. Sorry if my wording was a little strange, but I'm satisfied now. It had been bothering me for a couple of days.
 
It should all work out ok. If you take your original example of integrating 1/x by substituting x=tan(t) you should wind up with log(|tan(t)|). Sure that has problems all over the place, but when you change back to x you get log(|x|) and everything is ok again. Glad you are feeling better about it.
 

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