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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int_0^{T/2} \sin\left(\frac{2\pi t}{T} - \alpha\right) dt\), focusing on the application of U substitution and trigonometric identities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of U substitution, with one participant attempting to evaluate the integral by changing the limits of integration and expressing the integral in terms of \(u\).
  • There are questions about the validity of using trigonometric identities to simplify the expression, and whether the integral evaluates to zero due to the properties of odd functions.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about specific steps in the integration process, particularly regarding the evaluation of cosine at certain bounds.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the simplification of terms involving constants and the final form of the answer.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying steps in the integration process. There is a collaborative effort to identify potential errors and refine the approach, though no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of an answer to verify their work against, which contributes to the exploratory nature of the discussion. There are also mentions of potential errors in the evaluation of trigonometric functions and the handling of constants during integration.

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Homework Statement



Here's the original problem in all of its glory...

<br /> \int_0^{T/2} \,\sin((2\pi(t)/T) - \alpha) \, dt<br />

Homework Equations



U Substitution
Trig identities (possibly)

The Attempt at a Solution



Using U substitution I've got u=2\pi(t)/T -\alpha

Which means that du= 2\pi/T dt

Which also means that dt= Tdu/2\pi

and resetting the limits of integration I have an upper bound at 2\pi - \alpha and a lower bound of -\alpha.

So now my little equation looks like this...

<br /> \int_{-\alpha}^{2\pi - \alpha} \, \sinu \,\frac{T}{2\pi}\,du<br />

pulling out the T/2\pi...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi}\int_{-\alpha}^{2\pi -\alpha} \,\sinu \,du<br />

which using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus I can turn to...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi} \, (-\cos(u)) <br />

evaluating at the upper minus the lower bound (previously stated)

Which looks something like this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\Big(\cos[\,2\pi\,-\,\alpha] - \cos[-\alpha]\Big)<br />

Can I use a trigonometric identity to break this thing apart?
When I try to do that I get this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,\Big(\cos(2\pi)\cos(\alpha)\,+\,\sin(2\pi)sin(\alpha)\,+\,\cos(\alpha)\Big)<br />

All in all I end up with a final answer of

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,2\cos(\alpha)<br />

I have no answer to check my work, so that's why I am posting it here for everyone to point out my probable mistakes and give me some advice. Thanks a ton for the help/suggestions.
 
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Sorry if my Latex is screwed up in some places.And on second glance...would this end up being a 0 in the end because the Integration with the new U substitution turns out to be an odd function? Or am I closer to being right the first time?
 
Fixed your first integral...I think.
mateomy said:

Homework Statement



Here's the original problem in all of its glory...

<br /> \int_0^{T/2} sin(2\pi(t)/T - \alpha) \, dt<br />



Homework Equations



U Substitution
Trig identities (possibly)



The Attempt at a Solution



Using U substitution I've got u=2\pi(t)/T -\alpha

Which means that du= 2\pi/T dt

Which also means that dt= Tdu/2\pi

and resetting the limits of integration I have an upper bound at 2\pi - \alpha and a lower bound of -\alpha.

So now my little equation looks like this...

<br /> \int_-\alpha^(2\pi - \alpha) \, \sinu \,\frac{T}{2\pi}\,du<br />

pulling out the T/2\pi...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi}\int_-\alpha^(2\pi -\alpha) \,\sinu \,du<br />

which using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus I can turn to...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi} \, -\cos(u) <br />

evaluating at the upper minus the lower bound (previously stated)

Which looks something like this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\Big(\cos[\,2\pi\,-\,\alpha] - \cos[-\alpha]\Big)<br />

Can I use a trigonometric identity to break this thing apart?
When I try to do that I get this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,\Big(\cos(2\pi)\cos(\alpha)\,+\,\sin(2\pi)sin(\alpha)\,+\,\cos(\alpha)\Big)<br />

All in all I end up with a final answer of

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,2\cos(\alpha)<br />

I have no answer to check my work, so that's why I am posting it here for everyone to point out my probable mistakes and give me some advice. Thanks a ton for the help/suggestions.
 
Yeah you fixed it. I'll try to work out the other integrals using your code as an example.

THANKS!
 
mateomy said:

Homework Statement



Here's the original problem in all of its glory...

<br /> \int_0^{T/2} \,\sin((2\pi(t)/T) - \alpha) \, dt<br />



Homework Equations



U Substitution
Trig identities (possibly)



The Attempt at a Solution



Using U substitution I've got u=2\pi(t)/T -\alpha

Which means that du= 2\pi/T dt

Which also means that dt= Tdu/2\pi

and resetting the limits of integration I have an upper bound at 2\pi - \alpha and a lower bound of -\alpha.

So now my little equation looks like this...

<br /> \int_{-\alpha}^{2\pi - \alpha} \, \sinu \,\frac{T}{2\pi}\,du<br />

pulling out the T/2\pi...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi}\int_{-\alpha}^{2\pi -\alpha} \,\sinu \,du<br />

which using the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus I can turn to...

<br /> \frac{T}{2\pi} \, (-\cos(u)) <br />

evaluating at the upper minus the lower bound (previously stated)

Which looks something like this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\Big(\cos[\,2\pi\,-\,\alpha] - \cos[-\alpha]\Big)<br />
You have an error in the line above. Inside the parentheses it should be cos(pi - alpha) - cos(-alpha)

cos(pi - alpha) = -cos(alpha) and cos(-alpha) = cos(alpha)
mateomy said:
Can I use a trigonometric identity to break this thing apart?
When I try to do that I get this...

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,\Big(\cos(2\pi)\cos(\alpha)\,+\,\sin(2\pi)sin(\alpha)\,+\,\cos(\alpha)\Big)<br />

All in all I end up with a final answer of

<br /> -\frac{T}{2\pi}\,2\cos(\alpha)<br />

I have no answer to check my work, so that's why I am posting it here for everyone to point out my probable mistakes and give me some advice. Thanks a ton for the help/suggestions.

I end up with (T/pi)cos(alpha).
 
Okay, so I am close...

Im looking at the point where I pulled the antiderivative of sin(u), which I thought was a (neg)cos(u). So wouldn't I want to pull it all the way out in front of my constant \frac{T}{2\pi}?

Im also lost on how you reached a pi as opposed to the 2pi I have come to?

But seriously, thanks.
 
mateomy said:
Im also lost on how you reached a pi as opposed to the 2pi I have come to?

But seriously, thanks.
I meant that in sense of what was in the parenthesis, not the final answer; because, correct me if I am wrong but the 2pi in the denominator and 2cos would simplify to a pi in the denominator and a singular cosine.
 
When you evaluate cos(2pit/T - alpha) at t = T/2, you get cos((2pi/T)(T/2) - alpha). The 2's cancel and the T's cancel, so you're left with cos(pi - alpha).
 
Hmmmmmm
 
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