Integration of inverse trigonometric functions

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function ∫ (x+2)dx/√(4x-x²), focusing on the method of substitution and the handling of terms within the integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore substitution methods, particularly letting u = 4x - x² and questioning the treatment of terms like -2(x-2). There are attempts to equate (x+2) to (x-2)+4 and to complete the square for the expression under the square root.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on substitution and completing the square, while others have pointed out errors in notation and method. There is ongoing exploration of how to properly express the integrand and the implications of different substitutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating typographical errors and clarifying definitions of variables used in their calculations. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in notation to avoid confusion in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



∫ (x+2)dx/√(4x-x2)

Homework Equations



why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?

The Attempt at a Solution



so first i let u= 4x-x2
then, du=4-2x
= -2(x-2)

so to get (x+2) i equate it to (x-2)+4

so ...
∫ (x+2)dx/√(4x-x2) = ∫(x-2)+4dx/√(4x-x2)

= ∫ (x-2)dx/√(4x-x2) + ∫4dx/√(4x-x2)is the solution right?
and why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?
 
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delapcsoncruz said:

Homework Statement



∫ (x+2)dx/√(4x-x2)

Homework Equations



why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?

The Attempt at a Solution



so first i let u= 4x-4x2
then, du=4-2x
= -2(x-2)

so to get (x+2) i equate it to (x-2)+4

so ...
∫ (x+2)dx/√(4x-x2) = ∫(x-2)+4dx/√(4x-x2)

= ∫ (x-2)dx/√(4x-x2) + ∫4dx/√(4x-x2)

is the solution right?
and why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?

Hello delapcsoncruz. Welcome to PF !

Check your differentiation.
du = (4-8x)dx​

As to your question: "why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?" : What are you referring to ?
 
SammyS said:
Hello delapcsoncruz. Welcome to PF !

Check your differentiation.
du = (4-8x)dx​

As to your question: "why was the -2 in -2(x-2) was ignored?" : What are you referring to ?

sorry typographical error.. the u= 4x-x2
so du = 4-2x = -2(x-2)
 
delapcsoncruz said:
sorry typographical error.. the u= 4x-x2
so du = 4-2x = -2(x-2)
Not quite right.

du = -2(x-2)dx .

You're doing the method of substitution incorrectly. At any rate, the substitution you're trying won't help much.

Complete the square for -x2 + 4x .

You should then be able to let u = x-2 .
 
SammyS said:
Not quite right.

du = -2(x-2)dx .

You're doing the method of substitution incorrectly. At any rate, the substitution you're trying won't help much.

Complete the square for -x2 + 4x .

You should then be able to let u = x-2 .


thank you...
so ∫ (x+2)dx / √ (4x-x2) = ∫ (x+2)dx / √ (4-(x+2)2)

i don't know what is the next thing to do.. please help..
 
delapcsoncruz said:
thank you...
so ∫ (x+2)dx / √ (4x-x2) = ∫ (x+2)dx / √ (4-(x+2)2)

i don't know what is the next thing to do.. please help..


The completion of the square has not been done properly. [itex]\sqrt{4x-x^2} \neq \sqrt{4 - {(x+2)}^2}[/itex]. Remember that you have to get a [itex]-4x[/itex] term from the square expression to end up with a (positive) 4x at the end.
 
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Curious3141 said:
The completion of the square has not been done properly. [itex]\sqrt{4x-x^2} \neq \sqrt{4 - {(x+2)}^2}[/itex].

thank you for the correction...
sorry its ∫ (x+2)dx / √ 4 - (x-2)2

so what i am going to do next?
 
delapcsoncruz said:
thank you for the correction...
sorry its ∫ (x+2)dx / √ 4 - (x-2)2

so what i am going to do next?


Ah good, you got it. You didn't need the hint I added in my edit.

OK, now you can do the sub. that Sammy was suggesting, then separate the integrand into two simpler quotients added together (separate the sum in the numerator). After that, it should become quite easy to see.
 
Curious3141 said:
Ah good, you got it. You didn't need the hint I added in my edit.

OK, now you can do the sub. that Sammy was suggesting, then separate the integrand into two simpler quotients added together (separate the sum in the numerator). After that, it should become quite easy to see.
how can i do the substitution? can you give me a hint.
 
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delapcsoncruz said:
how can i do the substitution? can you give me a hint.

Start by subbing u = (x-2).

What does the numerator become in terms of u? Denominator? What about dx in terms of du?
 
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Curious3141 said:
Start by subbing u = (x-2).

What does the numerator become in terms of u? Denominator? What about dx in terms of du?

i solve it and this is my solution..

∫ (x+2)dx / sqrt (4x-x2)
let u= 4x -x2
du=-2(x-2)dx

so now the numerator will become [(x-2)+4]dx

= ∫ [(x-2)+4]dx / sqrt (4x-x2)

= ∫ (x-2)dx / sqrt (4x-x2) + ∫ 4dx / sqrt (4x-x2)

let u = 4x -x2
du = -2(x-2)dx

by completing the square : 4x - x2 = 4-(x-2)2

= -1/2 ∫ du / u1/2 + 4∫ dx / sqrt 4 -(x-2)2
= -u1/2 + 4∫ du / sqrt (a2 -u2)

= -√(4x -x2) + 4 Arcsin (x-2)/2 +c


is the answer right?
 
  • #12
delapcsoncruz said:
i solve it and this is my solution..

∫ (x+2)dx / sqrt (4x-x2)
let u= 4x -x2
du=-2(x-2)dx

so now the numerator will become [(x-2)+4]dx

= ∫ [(x-2)+4]dx / sqrt (4x-x2)

= ∫ (x-2)dx / sqrt (4x-x2) + ∫ 4dx / sqrt (4x-x2)

let u = 4x -x2
du = -2(x-2)dx

by completing the square : 4x - x2 = 4-(x-2)2

= -1/2 ∫ du / u1/2 + 4∫ dx / sqrt 4 -(x-2)2
= -u1/2 + 4∫ du / sqrt (a2 -u2)

= -√(4x -x2) + 4 Arcsin (x-2)/2 +c


is the answer right?


Your final answer is right (and you decided to take a slightly more complicated route, but that's OK).

However, some of your notation needs cleaning up (it would be grounds for marking you wrong or subtracting marks). For example, in one line, "u" has two different definitions in the two integrals. And then "a" is brought in out of nowhere (you were probably referencing a standard form, but still, the "a" doesn't belong in the middle of your working).
 
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Curious3141 said:
Your final answer is right (and you decided to take a slightly more complicated route, but that's OK).

However, some of your notation needs cleaning up (it would be grounds for marking you wrong or subtracting marks). For example, in one line, "u" has two different definitions in the two integrals. And then "a" is brought in out of nowhere (you were probably referencing a standard form, but still, the "a" doesn't belong in the middle of your working).

thank you very much! :smile: ok i will revise my solution to make it more understandable... thank you again..
 

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