Integration problem of a quotient

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function e(x)² over (x-1)², exploring whether it has an antiderivative expressible in elementary functions. Participants are examining the nature of the integral and its solvability.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt integration by parts but express difficulty in finding a solution. Others question the existence of an antiderivative in elementary terms and discuss numerical methods for evaluation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some suggesting that the integral may not have a finite antiderivative. There is a recognition of the integral's existence and the possibility of numerical approximations, while others clarify that not all integrals involving e(x)² are unsolvable.

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There is mention of constraints regarding the nature of antiderivatives and the distinction between finite formulas and series expansions. Participants also reference a specific integral known to be non-elementary.

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Homework Statement


What is the integral of e(x)2 over (x-1)2

Homework Equations


integral of (x-1)-2 is -(x-1)-1
and derivative of e(x)2 is 2xe(x)2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to integrate it by part but I couldn't get a solution. I want to know how to start solving this question.
 
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I don't think this has an antiderivative in terms of elementary functions. However, for given limits you can compute it numerically.
 
eys_physics said:
I don't think this has an antiderivative in terms of elementary functions. However, for given limits you can compute it numerically.
how someone can know if it has an anti derivative
 
rashida564 said:

Homework Statement


What is the integral of e(x)2 over (x-1)2

Homework Equations


integral of (x-1)-2 is -(x-1)-1
and derivative of e(x)2 is 2xe(x)2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to integrate it by part but I couldn't get a solution. I want to know how to start solving this question.

I doubt that your integral can be performed in finite terms.

The simpler integral ##\int e^{x^2} \, dx## is known to be "non-elementary", which means that there is no possible finite formula for it that involves only only "ordinary functions". It does not matter if you allow a formula of 1,000,000 page length; as long as you do not use infinitely many pages you will not be able to do it. BTW: this is not a matter of nobody being smart enough to see how to do it; it is a rigorously proven theorem that it is impossible to do!

Of course, the integral exists, but the issue here is how to calculate it. There are numerous good approximations that allow us to get accurate numerical answers---even to hundreds of decimal places----so in practice we can get numbers easily enough.
 
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I should had said that it doesn't have any known antiderivative. But, Mathematica could not compute it.
 
Ray Vickson said:
I doubt that your integral can be performed in finite terms.

The simpler integral ##\int e^{x^2} \, dx## is known to be "non-elementary", which means that there is no possible finite formula for it that involves only only "ordinary functions". It does not matter if you allow a formula of 1,000,000 page length; as long as you do not use infinitely many pages you will not be able to do it. BTW: this is not a matter of nobody being smart enough to see how to do it; it is a rigorously proven theorem that it is impossible to do!

Of course, the integral exists, but the issue here is how to calculate it. There are numerous good approximations that allow us to get accurate numerical answers---even to hundreds of decimal places----so in practice we can get numbers easily enough.
So sir any integral that involves e(x)2 can't be solved
 
can I write the answer as ∑(xn)/(n+1)n factorial from n=0 to infinity
 
My teacher made a prank on me I've been trying to solve it for more than 6 hours
 
rashida564 said:
So sir any integral that involves e(x)2 can't be solved

No, some can be solved and some cannot. The integral ##\int x e^{x^2} \, dx## is perfectly well solvable by a change of variables to ##u = x^2.##
 
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rashida564 said:
can I write the answer as ∑(xn)/(n+1)n factorial from n=0 to infinity
This is not a "finite" formula, even though you can write it in a limited amount of space. When you expand it out you get a series that never ends.
 
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