Integration/Solving A Constant To Divide An Area

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The problem involves finding a value of b that divides the area between the curves y=x² and y=4 in half. Participants are discussing various approaches to set up the integrals needed to solve for b.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore different methods for setting up integrals, including vertical and horizontal slices. There is discussion about the limits of integration and the correct formulation of the area equations.

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Several participants have provided insights and corrections regarding the setup of integrals. Some have suggested alternative approaches, while others express confusion about their calculations and the results they are obtaining.

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There are indications of misunderstandings regarding integration techniques and limits, as well as varying interpretations of the area being calculated. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their assumptions on the problem setup.

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With this particular problem you are given the functions y=x^{2}, y=4, and y=b.

The object is to solve for a value of b that will split the area between y=4 and y=x^{2} in half.
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The approach I took was to include y=b in the integral, and then subtract the top half from the bottom half and equate that to zero.

\int_{-2}^{2} {(4-x^2-b)}\ = \int_{-2}^{2} {(b-x^2)}

All I did then was solve the integrals, and isolate b to get an answer of 4. However the answer is 4^2/3. I'm also stuck on a similar problem where I need to solve for a constant where two functions have to enclose a specific area.
 
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Your integral for the top half is incorrect. Using the "vertical slices" method, the lower limit on y is y=b when -\sqrt{b}<x<\sqrt{b}, and y=x^2 when |x|\geq\sqrt{b}. So, you might want to either use horizontal slices for the top half, or not bother computing that integral at all and instead compute the area between y=x^2 and y=4 and set that equal to twice your bottom half.
 
Horizontal slices sounds like a better idea. I did come up with the +-root b being the limits, but I decided to go with negative two and two instead...apparently that didn't work. I guess just integrating for one half only works out nicely. Then I can just go from zero to 4.
 
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Okay, so I did it with respect to Y instead:

<br /> \int_{0}^{b} {\sqrt{y}}\ = \int_{0}^{4} {\sqrt{y}}\ - \int_{0}^{b} {\sqrt{y}}<br />

then got here:

<br /> [\sqrt{b} - \sqrt{0}] = [\sqrt{4} - \sqrt{0}] - [\sqrt{b} - \sqrt{0}]<br />

then:
<br /> 2\sqrt{b}= \sqrt{4}<br />

<br /> 2\sqrt{b}= 2<br />

<br /> b= 1<br />

Things aren't going very well.
 
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I found the desired area to be 8/3 (I just chopped it in half and did 0 to 2). Then integrated \frac{8}{3}=\int_{0}^{\sqrt b} <br /> b-x^2 dx
Solved for b...
 
You mean
\int_{0}^{\sqrt b}<br /> { [b-x^2]} dx <br />

? I'll give it a try.
 
Yes, My tex skills are a little rusty. i edited it and fixed it..
 
Mine are horrible. I just figured it out within the last hour to ask this question. :p

Also, that doesn't work. The answer is supposed to be the cube root of 16...I am confused.
 
set it equal to 8/3! It works!
 
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And the 8/3 is half the parabola from 0 to 2? Attempt # 4ish...
 
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Well, here's what I did:

<br /> \frac{8}{3}=\int_{0}^{\sqrt b} <br /> b-x^2 dx<br />

<br /> \frac{8}{3}=[b-{\sqrt b}^2] - [b-{\sqrt 0}^2]<br />

<br /> \frac{8}{3}= b-b-b<br />

<br /> \frac{8}{3}= -b<br />

I'm really confused now.
 
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<br /> <br /> \frac{8}{3}=\int_{0}^{\sqrt b} <br /> b-x^2 dx<br /> <br /> =bx-\frac{1}{3}x^3 from 0 to \sqrt b
 
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I suggest you review basic integration. You're just plugging the numbers into the integrand instead of integrating.
 
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...Fail. I've been doing that a lot recently. I don't know why.
 

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