Integration to calculate centre of mass

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The discussion revolves around the integration process to calculate the center of mass, specifically focusing on a cone and a rod with varying density. Participants are exploring the derivation of certain equations and the implications of different variables in the context of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the derivation of the equation r=R(1-z/h) and its relation to the geometry of the cone. There is confusion regarding the role of the variable 'a' in the context of the rod's density. Some suggest visual aids like sketches to clarify the concepts.

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There is ongoing exploration of the integration steps and the reasoning behind them. Some participants have provided insights into the geometric interpretation of the problem, while others express confusion and seek further clarification on specific terms and their implications.

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Participants note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which affects the radius of the disk, and there is a mention of potential discrepancies in the diagram used for explanation. The discussion also highlights the varying density of the rod and its representation in the equations.

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There are two problems I am facing, and in each one, they are introducing new terms in the integration but I don't understand how.

Problem #1

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Where I become lost is r=R(1-z/h)
Why is this not just r=R(z/h)? Where does the 1-z come from?

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In this question, there is an integration for part b. Where I become confused is when they pull 1+a out of the integral. Where does this 1+a come from? I am relatively new to integration but know the basics. I guess I just can't seem to reason why some of these steps are being done.

Any guidance would be great! :)
 
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MathewsMD said:
Problem #1

Where I become lost is r=R(1-z/h)
Why is this not just r=R(z/h)? Where does the 1-z come from?
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.
 
In the diagram, change the y-axis to the z axis and turn 'dy' into 'dz'. Whoever wrote the text and drew the diagram apparently didn't compare notes.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.

Okay. I'm still a little confused on how they derived r=R(1-z/h) though. Any more clarification would be very helpful.

Any assistance on the second problem would be great too!

Thanks :)

SteamKing said:
In the diagram, change the y-axis to the z axis and turn 'dy' into 'dz'. Whoever wrote the text and drew the diagram apparently didn't compare notes.

And yes. I eventually caught on since they introduced z instead of the y in the image. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
When z = 0, r = R and when z = h, r = 0. What you want to do is set up a linear interpolation to determine r between these two values of z. If r = R*z/h, then r = 0 when z = 0; or, in other words, the cone would be turned upside down with the pointy end at the bottom.

As far as the rod is concerned, the explanation in the text is lacking in describing what the parameter 'a' is supposed to mean. Since the density of the rod varies with length, 'a' must have something to do with expressing the density ρ as a function of x.
 
SteamKing said:
When z = 0, r = R and when z = h, r = 0. What you want to do is set up a linear interpolation to determine r between these two values of z. If r = R*z/h, then r = 0 when z = 0; or, in other words, the cone would be turned upside down with the pointy end at the bottom.

As far as the rod is concerned, the explanation in the text is lacking in describing what the parameter 'a' is supposed to mean. Since the density of the rod varies with length, 'a' must have something to do with expressing the density ρ as a function of x.

Okay, that makes sense. I'm just confused as to why there is a 1-z in the solution instead of just ±z (depending on our definition of z=0).

I feel like I'm missing something obvious right now.
 
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If it helps, draw a sketch.
 
Doc Al said:
Note that the base of the cone is at z = 0, which is where the radius of the disk will be greatest and equal to R. r is the radius of the disk as a function of z.
To add to the top answer: Imagine a 2D cut of the cone: the cone defines a right triangle such tan Q = R /h. But the position of the differential disk defines a second right triangle with same angle: tan Q = r / h'. Where r is the base radius and h' the height of the inner triangle. Now h' the height of the second triangle is h the total height minus z the position of the differential disk : h' = h-z.

Finally : tan Q = (R / h) = (r /h') = (r /h-z) --> r = (R /h) ( h - z) = R (1 - z/h )
 

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