Integration Tricks for Homework Statement on Electrodynamics Problem

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The discussion revolves around an integration problem from electrodynamics, specifically the integral of the function x/((x^2 + 1)^3) with respect to x. Participants are exploring methods to solve this integral by hand, emphasizing the importance of manual integration skills in their physics studies.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss potential substitution methods, particularly u = x^2 + 1, and the implications of this substitution on the integration process. Some express confusion about the notation used in the original post, particularly regarding the dot notation in the integral.

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There is a mix of acknowledgment regarding the substitution approach, with some participants confirming its validity. However, there is also ongoing clarification about the notation and its meaning, indicating a productive exploration of the topic without a clear consensus on all points raised.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integration techniques while also addressing notation conventions that may lead to misunderstandings. The discussion reflects the challenges faced in higher-level physics coursework.

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Homework Statement


Hi all, as part of an electrodynamics-problem, I encountered:

\int {\frac{x}{{{{({x^2} + 1)}^3}}} \cdot dx}

I know how to get the answer with my computer, but I wanted to know how to do it by hand. It’s getting to the point here in physics-grad-school that I need to know how to do this stuff “off the cuff”, so to speak.


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Well...this is part of a solution of a bigger problem. I know there's some sort of trig substitution or trig identity. It happens that x = r/d, where "r" is an in-plane polar distance (x^2 + y^2), and "d" is distance above the plane, and I rearranged the integral I got into getting the dimensionless length scale x = r/d ... and by the above geometry, if you consider theta to be the angle between "r" and "d", then r/d = tan(theta). But:

dx = d(r/d) = d(tan(theta)) = (1 + tan(theta)^2)*d(theta)

That's just a mess. :-P
 
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Am I missing something? Or does it really just work with u=x^2+1?
 
The above coment is correct. This is a simple substitution of u=x^{2}+1. Then the next step is a simple interation of a polynomial of degree -3.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
The above coment is correct. This is a simple substitution of u=x^{2}+1. Then the next step is a simple interation of a polynomial of degree -3.

I assume the dot there is an accident then, it doesn't mean anything.
 
Well it is obvious that the function does not define a vector field. I believe it means nothing.
 
Wow...u = x^2 + 1 makes it easy-peezee, lemon squeezy. ::blush:: guess I missed it. I learned how to integrate stuff 7 years ago, and I've made the mistake of letting a computer do it for me most of the time. Bah.
 
u = 1+x^2
du = 2x dx

-> integral = 0.5*(1/u^3)du
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
The above coment is correct. This is a simple substitution of u=x^{2}+1. Then the next step is a simple interation of a polynomial of degree -3.

kbaumen said:
I assume the dot there is an accident then, it doesn't mean anything.
It does mean something - it's the period at the end of the sentence.
 
44 I think he was referring to the dot in OP's post, the one between his function and dx :-).
 
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I use dots to make scalar-multiplication clear. I recognize it as "it's ok to assume this kind of multiplication commutes", rather than the multiplication of things like operators and cross products.
 
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Why,by convention dot is used for other things other than regular scalar multiplication. It might prove to be confusing for some people. The truth is that I originally didn't notice it.
 
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╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
The above coment is correct. This is a simple substitution of u=x^{2}+1. Then the next step is a simple interation of a polynomial of degree -3.

kbaumen said:
I assume the dot there is an accident then, it doesn't mean anything.

╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
44 I think he was referring to the dot in OP's post, the one between his function and dx :-).
I don't think so. kbaumen quoted your post (the first one above), not the OP with the integral in it.
 
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╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Well it is obvious that the function does not define a vector field. I believe it means nothing.
In this case, I believe kbaumen was referring to the period at the end of the sentence. Dots are often used for multiplication, especially with constants, as in
3 \cdot 5 = 15.

The first dot indicates multiplcation; the last one is the period at the end of the sentence.
 
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Sorry for not making it clear, but I was indeed referring to the dot between the function and dx.
 

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